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Who makes up these names? Post-rock, post-punk, post-industrial, post-hardcore, post-grunge. Did I miss any? Don't these genres deserve unique names?
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Sinister Dexter wrote:
Don't these genres deserve unique names?


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Everything is defined within a system of differences.

They are named for what they aren't since what they are hasn't been codified yet.
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I like a lot of bands that fall under a very specific subsection of the "post-rock" umbrella, but it's a terrible term that's shifting and inadequate and too generic.

It covers so many bands that are so musically diverse that it's practically meaningless. Plus, if it's "after rock," what comes next? Post-post-rock?

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Because they want you to know they are so over that genre. It is so last year.
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Same thing happened to "alternative." Although that started out a little hazy, anyway - sometimes it just meant "not pop"
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Sinister Dexter wrote:
Did I miss any?


"post-metal". Which is now called "sludge metal", a term that should have been left to the likes of Eyehategod. Wikipedia has it right, rateyourmusic has it wrong, IMO.
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Sinister Dexter wrote:
Same thing happened to "alternative." Although that started out a little hazy, anyway - sometimes it just meant "not pop"


Which is destined to become pop. Nirvana is/was "alternative" and now outsells Elvis. Also, New Wave was originally a catchall "non-pop" label that later took on more meaning.

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Everything is defined within a system of differences.

They are named for what they aren't since what they are hasn't been codified yet.


Or, if named after the fact... proto. Like proto-punk.
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The only one I understood was "post-punk". It's basically a punk band that learned how to play their instruments.
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I think it's because they all want to be different. And every year there needs to be a new 'cool' thing.

2010 is going to be the year of alternative indie proto-post-nu-britpopcore.
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Blame it on the Post-romantics

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The term "post" or "nu" usually just describes something that is heavily influenced by but isn't in fact that thing (with "proto" being the influencer on the other side of the time-line).

What's the point? As soon as you create a name to classify something it becomes coopted changed anyway. Remember when Emo and Math Rock meant something completely different?

What is punk? Suicide? The Damned? The Undertones? Dead Kennedys? Green Day? Blink 182? None of these bands sound remotely like each other.

We operate in a language of modifiers. Just look at the term "Progressive". Ask someone in the 70s and it meant operatic rock. In the 80s it was what later became Post-Modern then Alternative -- although Alternative turned into something completely different from what it originally was (you can thank Pearl Jam and their clones). This was reinforced by a song by Consolidated. In the 90s it was two different things both entirely foreign from each other - Progressive Metal, and Progressive House (which in turn was a little different from the later progressive trance, and progressive D&B). But in all of these, if you said "progressive" people would know what you were talking about.

It seems to me that musical genres that are outright named are defined by a mindset or a fashion style rather than the sound of the music that is being made. Ever checked the dudes out in the classical section?

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Sinister Dexter wrote:
Same thing happened to "alternative." Although that started out a little hazy, anyway - sometimes it just meant "not pop"


shake The sordid history of the co-opting of "alternative" is actually much longer. Originally the bands were real alternatives to mainstream music, usually experimental work like Fred Frith; on the more well-known side of the term were bands like early Sonic Youth. They weren't metal, punk, prog or pop, they were simply something...else.
As more bands came along aping the sounds of these bands, and as the original "alternative" bands themselves moved toward more commercial types of music, the term began to lose definition and was applied to everything from REM to grunge. shake
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Sinister Dexter wrote:
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Who makes up these names? Post-rock, post-punk, post-industrial, post-hardcore, post-grunge. Did I miss any? Don't these genres deserve unique names?


Music critics make this junk up.
 
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This thread is so post alt nu american grunge.
 
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Surely it would be far superior to label your music as "pre-makesomethingup", then you can claim to be the progenitor of a new style.
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BradyLS wrote:
Sinister Dexter wrote:
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Who makes up these names? Post-rock, post-punk, post-industrial, post-hardcore, post-grunge. Did I miss any? Don't these genres deserve unique names?


Music critics make this junk up.


What makes it junk? I find it useful. How much post-rock, or post-punk do you listen to? Who are these music critics that you are talking about? I think that musicians and fans use the terminology, critics tend to be fans that get paid.
 
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