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jin choung
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where does that come from? it confused the living f out of me when i tried dbaol and now i get that bound = player turn... but where does this terminology come from?

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jinchoung wrote:
where does that come from? it confused the living f out of me when i tried dbaol and now i get that bound = player turn... but where does this terminology come from?

jin


It is part of the language known among wargamers as "Barkerese".

I am not sure when or where it originated but it is a common term used in ancients wargames. The cry of "Last bound" is the normal signal of the end of a round of games at Ancients tournaments.
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aha... as never having attended any wargaming related event, it is an alien word to me in this context.

thanks!

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What I had a hard time with was calling skirmishers "Psiloi" when they are in a non Greek army....like Tang Chinese.
 
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Haha,

I totally thought the same thing. Kinda like calling legionaires samurai or something.

I just figured since Rome took a lot of Greek culture, psiloi was adopted as a generic term and where Rome set precedent, historians (and barker) followed.

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Bob Beattie
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A turn is what elements or groups do when they change direction. "The element turns left." It is confusing to discuss the game if you say, in your turn you turn left. Bound is a common expression in English gaming history to mean something that limits, confines, or restrains. A bound limits a players actions.
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haha,

maybe but can't it also be confusing when you say that you can't move forward this bound because you bounded by that units ZOC? right, the english understand bound is as in "boundary". but it's usually used in the context of space... not time or sequence though it can be.

also, you don't really say "turn" for this game right? it's "wheel"? so there wouldn't be a conflict - "this turn, i'm gonna wheel these guys over yonder".

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I spent 200 GG and all I got was this lousy overtext!
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Here at least, a "wheel" is specifically a turn by a group about a front corner. A turn by a single element (about the only other sort allowed in DBA) would not be described as a "wheel".
 
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I recently tackled the DBMM rules with a view to giving it a go (remembering quite a few fun games of DBA years ago). In my opinion, I have never seen a rulebook so badly written, and there's some pretty stiff competition!!

I hope that the DBA rules make more sense, despite use of archaic Greek terminology and bounds (instead of rounds or turns).
 
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DBA does make more sense than DBMM but even so there is an online guide to explain DBA that is about four times as long as the rules themselves.
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, I like "Barkerese," the mysterious dialect of the DBA rules. It's quirky, but clear in it's own way. They're not badly written, they're just really eccentric. The guide is four times as long to say the same stuff exactly because the rules are written so densely. It's a beautiful thing in a way.

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