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Michael Orford
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Simple game played on paper.
5 X 5 grid.
Players take turns calling letters. Letters are placed in grid. Score for length of words once grid is filled.

My problem is that this MUST be a common game that has multiple names. WHAT ARE THEY? My family calls it "Charter" which is a name completely devoid of character. I am wanting to organize a tournament of it but I need to know what names people will know it by.

Thank you for your time.
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John Hargrove
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That sounds an awful lot like Boggle (4x4) or Boggle Deluxe (aka "Big Boggle") (5x5)...

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1293
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/10550

It's not exactly as you described, but I believe the premise may be about the same.

Do you search for all of the different words you can find in "charter" or no? If not, then I may have whiffed on your question...
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Sorry, I might not have been clear. Players choose letters one at a time and for each chosen letter, each player must put it in his/her OWN 5 X 5 grid. When the grids are full, each player can score for one word in each row and one word in each column. Words score their length SQUARED. Words have to be at least 3 letters long.

i.e. (note: this would make a grid if the font was fixed-width font. Oddly, the font used in COMPOSING messages IS fixed-width but the font displayed in forum is not.)

AGILE 25 for agile
SODAS 25 for sodas
KNEWJ 16 for knew
LLAMA 25 for llama
DFJQJ 0 for nothing

first column scores 9 for ask
second column scores 0 for nothing
third column scores 16 for idea
fourth column scores 9 for law
fifth column scores 25 for esjaj (which is an obscure plant that only Martians eat...)
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Could it be Word Squares ?
(alternative name for this one is Maven)
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Alan Monroe
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4 CYTE (Foresight) is a 6x6 version of this, with tiles rather than pencil/paper.
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Alan Monroe
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There's a variant in Beyond Words where all players play on a shared hex board with each player scoring in a different axis and direction.
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I'm wondering if this might be your family's version of a very old game, Charge Account: Jan Murray's TV Word Game, which was based on a popular TV game show in the 50's. I recall my family watching this, and though it's long gone, we had a copy of this game when I was a kid.
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smallllama wrote:
Sorry, I might not have been clear. Players choose letters one at a time and for each chosen letter, each player must put it in his/her OWN 5 X 5 grid. When the grids are full, each player can score for one word in each row and one word in each column. Words score their length SQUARED. Words have to be at least 3 letters long.


Now it sounds like Würfel Bingo)(aka Wurfel Bingo) but with letters/words rather than numbers/poker hands. I think my family will call it "Wordful Bingo."
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gwen wrote:
Could it be Word Squares ?
(alternative name for this one is Maven)


I have a book of games, "Play according to Hoyle" (mostly card games), and it calls this game "Word Squares" as well.
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gwen wrote:
Could it be Word Squares ?
(alternative name for this one is Maven)
Just a note that I have looked this game up in a number of different books and encyclopaedias about traditional games, plus the internet. I learned it as Word Squares (from a book), although Crossword Squares is an alterntive sometimes listed also. But the only citation for "Maven" seems to have originated with the BGG entry that had that name printed on a scoresheet image. So I infer "Maven" as simply the local/family name just as the original poster here had "Charter".

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In Parlett's book Botticelli and Beyond: Over 100 of the World's Best Word Games he has it classified as Wordsworth, or Word Squares or Scorewords.

He also describes a version that allows overlapping words (and more than one word for each line or column). He also uses a different scoring to the OP. A 3 letter word scores 3, a 4 letter word scores 4, a 5 letter word scores 10 and allows a single overlap to score two 3 letter words as long as they are at both ends of the line/column.
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smallllama wrote:
Sorry, I might not have been clear. Players choose letters one at a time and for each chosen letter, each player must put it in his/her OWN 5 X 5 grid. When the grids are full, each player can score for one word in each row and one word in each column. Words score their length SQUARED. Words have to be at least 3 letters long.

i.e. (note: this would make a grid if the font was fixed-width font. Oddly, the font used in COMPOSING messages IS fixed-width but the font displayed in forum is not.)


A G I L E 25 for agile
S O D A S 25 for sodas
K N E W J 16 for knew
L L A M A 25 for llama
D F J Q J 0 for nothing

first column scores 9 for ask
second column scores 0 for nothing
third column scores 16 for idea
fourth column scores 9 for law
fifth column scores 25 for esjaj (which is an obscure plant that only Martians eat...)
just some formatting assistance

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A game very much like this, and called Charter, figures in a mystery novel I've been reading called "Death and the Dancing Footman," by Ngaio Marsh, set in WWII Britain. I did a search for the game and was led to this thread. Fascinating!
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tatoolo wrote:
gwen wrote:
Could it be Word Squares ?
(alternative name for this one is Maven)


I have a book of games, "Play according to Hoyle" (mostly card games), and it calls this game "Word Squares" as well.
Which has even less character than "Charter..."

Pete (frowns)
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TVis wrote:
smallllama wrote:
Sorry, I might not have been clear. Players choose letters one at a time and for each chosen letter, each player must put it in his/her OWN 5 X 5 grid. When the grids are full, each player can score for one word in each row and one word in each column. Words score their length SQUARED. Words have to be at least 3 letters long.

i.e. (note: this would make a grid if the font was fixed-width font. Oddly, the font used in COMPOSING messages IS fixed-width but the font displayed in forum is not.)


A G I L E 25 for agile
S O D A S 25 for sodas
K N E W J 16 for knew
L L A M A 25 for llama
D F J Q J 0 for nothing

first column scores 9 for ask
second column scores 0 for nothing
third column scores 16 for idea
fourth column scores 9 for law
fifth column scores 25 for esjaj (which is an obscure plant that only Martians eat...)
just some formatting assistance

For the 2nd column down, supposing the fourth letter was E would ONE be a three letter word, scoring 9? Or does the word have to start with the first square?

Pete (might give this game a go someday)
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plezercruz wrote:
TVis wrote:
smallllama wrote:
Sorry, I might not have been clear. Players choose letters one at a time and for each chosen letter, each player must put it in his/her OWN 5 X 5 grid. When the grids are full, each player can score for one word in each row and one word in each column. Words score their length SQUARED. Words have to be at least 3 letters long.

i.e. (note: this would make a grid if the font was fixed-width font. Oddly, the font used in COMPOSING messages IS fixed-width but the font displayed in forum is not.)


A G I L E 25 for agile
S O D A S 25 for sodas
K N E W J 16 for knew
L L A M A 25 for llama
D F J Q J 0 for nothing

first column scores 9 for ask
second column scores 0 for nothing
third column scores 16 for idea
fourth column scores 9 for law
fifth column scores 25 for esjaj (which is an obscure plant that only Martians eat...)
just some formatting assistance

For the 2nd column down, supposing the fourth letter was E would ONE be a three letter word, scoring 9? Or does the word have to start with the first square?

Pete (might give this game a go someday)

The word can begin anywhere.

In your example, though, you have also created GONE. I would not score for a word wholly within another. The scoring escalates for longer words (although the source I first read had 1,2, 4 scoring) as a trade-off.


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Interesting sounding game. I'd like to stick around, but mom's fixin' esjaj for supper tonight!
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TVis wrote:
plezercruz wrote:
TVis wrote:
smallllama wrote:
Sorry, I might not have been clear. Players choose letters one at a time and for each chosen letter, each player must put it in his/her OWN 5 X 5 grid. When the grids are full, each player can score for one word in each row and one word in each column. Words score their length SQUARED. Words have to be at least 3 letters long.

i.e. (note: this would make a grid if the font was fixed-width font. Oddly, the font used in COMPOSING messages IS fixed-width but the font displayed in forum is not.)


A G I L E 25 for agile
S O D A S 25 for sodas
K N E W J 16 for knew
L L A M A 25 for llama
D F J Q J 0 for nothing

first column scores 9 for ask
second column scores 0 for nothing
third column scores 16 for idea
fourth column scores 9 for law
fifth column scores 25 for esjaj (which is an obscure plant that only Martians eat...)
just some formatting assistance

For the 2nd column down, supposing the fourth letter was E would ONE be a three letter word, scoring 9? Or does the word have to start with the first square?

Pete (might give this game a go someday)

The word can begin anywhere.

In your example, though, you have also created GONE. I would not score for a word wholly within another. The scoring escalates for longer words (although the source I first read had 1,2, 4 scoring) as a trade-off.


Ack.

Pete (didn't notice "gone" there and now feels a small bit of shame)
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plezercruz wrote:
TVis wrote:
plezercruz wrote:
TVis wrote:
smallllama wrote:
Sorry, I might not have been clear. Players choose letters one at a time and for each chosen letter, each player must put it in his/her OWN 5 X 5 grid. When the grids are full, each player can score for one word in each row and one word in each column. Words score their length SQUARED. Words have to be at least 3 letters long.

i.e. (note: this would make a grid if the font was fixed-width font. Oddly, the font used in COMPOSING messages IS fixed-width but the font displayed in forum is not.)


A G I L E 25 for agile
S O D A S 25 for sodas
K N E W J 16 for knew
L L A M A 25 for llama
D F J Q J 0 for nothing

first column scores 9 for ask
second column scores 0 for nothing
third column scores 16 for idea
fourth column scores 9 for law
fifth column scores 25 for esjaj (which is an obscure plant that only Martians eat...)
just some formatting assistance

For the 2nd column down, supposing the fourth letter was E would ONE be a three letter word, scoring 9? Or does the word have to start with the first square?

Pete (might give this game a go someday)

The word can begin anywhere.

In your example, though, you have also created GONE. I would not score for a word wholly within another. The scoring escalates for longer words (although the source I first read had 1,2, 4 scoring) as a trade-off.


Ack.

Pete (didn't notice "gone" there and now feels a small bit of shame)


Still it answered the question of whether the word needed to start at the beginning of the line or column.
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