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End of Year Utility Math Trade
I don't know about anybody else, but I end the year with a bunch of stuff I really need to trade off. I need to downsize my trade stock (for reasons I'll note later), I've got various charity items I need to liquidate or trade for more useful items, and I've got a number of RPG items that I'm just not interested in anymore. Others of you out there probably will wind up with some duplicates gifts, or have stuff you just need to get rid of. So, I figured it's time to do away with all the glamour of the "quality over quantity" trades we've seen lately and get back to some down-and-dirty attic clearing action. Whether you are offering boardgames, RPGs, home electronics, power tools, Fruit of the Month Club memberships, whatever, throw it on the pile!

Trade List: http://www.geekdo.com/geeklist/49804
Discussion List: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/475651
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http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/49819

On-Line Want List Generator (OLWLG) will be required for this event.
Please remember to tip JeffyJeff & cokasaki some GG for their programs.

Key Dates & Times (EASTERN STANDARD TIME):
Open for posting games: From December 27, 2009 10pm NOW through January 2, 2010 10pm
Want list submission period: From January 2, 2010 10pm through January 6, 2010 10pm
Results ASAP thereafter

Rules:

1) This math trade is open to everyone anywhere.

2) Gift certificates, Geekgold, and non Board Game items are all permitted, and even encouraged. Gift certificate and GG arbitrage is NOT permitted. Cash offerings will NOT be permitted.

3) Non-game entries (DVDs/CDs/GG/Gift Certificates etc) must be listed as Outside the Scope of BGG (Game ID: 23953), Miscellaneous Game Accessory (Game ID: 5985) or Miscellaneous Game Merchandise (Game ID: 22104) and must include the +altname+ brief description -altname- format in the description of your item. Use of the +altname+ brief description -altname- will only work if one of these is selected as the main item, and will NOT work for sweeteners.

Therefore, if you are offering an expansion for which there is no entry in BGG (for instance expansion cards handed out at Essen) and NOT the base game, you are required use "Miscellaneous Game Accessory" to help avoid confusion.

4) Do not delete or remove items from your entries once you have submitted them.

If you trade/sell or for any other reason cannot trade the item as listed before the end of the Math Trade, edit the geeklist item and strike out the text (Example: EXAMPLE; to do this: [ - ] EXAMPLE [ / - ] minus the spaces.), change the Game ID to 23953 (Outside the Scope of BGG) and add +altname+ Item Withdrawn/Relisted -altname- and submit a blank wantlist for the item.

You can add items to your entries as sweeteners once they have been listed; however, you may NOT then remove such sweeteners (as someone may have added the item to their list because of said sweetener).

5) In your entries you are required to describe the condition of the components & box as best as possible for all items you are trading (ie. You are required to describe the condition of games which are New (In Shrink) and any included Sweetners).

For games which have multiple languages and editions, you also required to specify the language and edition of your item.

For games which are not being sent in shrink you are required to inventory the components and list anything missing. Do not assume that the game is complete, even if you have never played the game and just removed the shrink.

Please list if the game is coming from a smoke free environment or not.

If the game and/or expansion you are listing is a "Print & Play" you are required to make that clear in the description (give specifics what it was printed on, mounted on, etc).

If you are listing an expansion, and you would like to reference the base game in the description; be clear one way or the other if you are including the base game or not. Do not include a link to the base game unless you are including it (ie. if you include a link to the base game, you will be required to send the base game).

If you do not list a condition, missing components, edition or smoking details the game will be considered to be in excellent to mint condition, complete, English language and from a non-smoking home.

6) Sweeteners are required to be listed using the GAMEID formatting (Example: Coloretto; to do this: [ G A M E I D = XXXX ] minus the spaces). To find the Game ID simply search the game and at the right hand side of the games page is listed the Game ID. For example, Coloretto's game id is 5782. If you don't use this format your sweeteners won't show up in the OLWLG properly.

Do NOT include links to other game's BGG page in your entry unless you are actually including them as a sweetener. Again, if you include a link to a game in your description you will be required to ship that game.

If you would like to include a link to a game you are NOT including; use www.tinyurl.com (or a similiar service) to create a link that will redirect to the game's page (Example: http://tinyurl.com/my4h67 instead of http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5782 or Coloretto), or use one of the pictures from the game's listing (Example: See Below, to do this: [ I m a g e I D = XXXX ] minus the spaces). To find the Image ID simply search the game, and find the picture you would like to link, at the left hand side of the image page is listed the Image ID. For example, the main image for Coloretto's Image ID is 149765. If you don't use this format your items will show up as sweeteners, and you will be required to ship that game.



7) If you are offering a Pick X number of games from a list you are required to listed it as Outside the Scope of BGG (Game ID: 23953), Miscellaneous Game Accessory (Game ID: 5985) or Miscellaneous Game Merchandise (Game ID: 22104) and must include the +altname+ Pick X -altname- in the description. Use of the +altname+ brief description -altname- will only work if one of these is selected as the main item, and will not work for sweeteners. Therefore if you are allowing a person to pick from multiple sweeteners and are including a specific game; you are required to listed it as Outside the Scope of BGG (Game ID: 23953), Miscellaneous Game Accessory (Game ID: 5985) or Miscellaneous Game Merchandise (Game ID: 22104) and must include the +altname+ GAME NAME + Pick X -altname-.

8) You will be required to list your shipping policy clearly (ie. list to where you will/will not be willing to ship and how much of the shipping you would be willing to cover, if any). Mirror shipping is not allowed. Any ambiguity will be considered generosity on your part. If you do not state a shipping policy it will be assumed you are willing to ship anywhere in the world for free.

9) If you've been reported as a bad trader, you cannot participate. If you try to, I will remove your entries. If you see someone posting entries who is a bad trader, please let me know. I reserve the right to submit a blank want list on behalf of any items (though unlikely). If I do submit a blank want list on your behalf; I will notify you via GeekMail.

10) You are NOT permitted include links to where you are selling the item/game (example BGG Marketplace link/E-bay link). This makes your entry look like you are only trying to sell your game and not looking to trade it. As this is a Trade list, items here should be those you are looking to trade not advertise for sale.

11) You will be required to periodically check your entries for Comments, and respond to them as appropriate. The OLWLG will let you know if any of your items have unanswered comments.

12) You will be submitting your want list using the OLWLG.

It is best to work on your want list and submit it early, so you don't miss the deadline. If you need to make changes after it is submitted, you can make the necessary changes and then resubmit it any time during the submission period (this does not cause any extra work for me, so feel free to do this as often as needed).

If you will be unavailable during the want list submission period but still wish to participate, contact me directly and we can discuss alternatives.

Creating want lists is not the same as submitting them. To submit them you will need to click on the "Submit My Wants" button. If you're not sure how to find this, consult the documentation referenced above or ask in the discussion thread. When you submit your want lists, you will receive a confirming GeekMail. If you do not get one, your want lists have not been submitted. Your want lists in the GeekMail may be truncated - this is fine.

Other useful information:
OLWLG Guides: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/30011
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/32005 (Duplicate protection)
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/OLWLG
OLWLG Bug Reports/Discussion/etc.: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/159648


Software Used (Updated 1/5/10): TradeMaximizer 1.4a with duplicate protection. METRIC=USERS-TRADING, ITERATIONS=500, SEED=1234567

Note: Only errors by the moderator will invalidate the results.

Also in the case that there is a problem after the results are posted, at most it will only invalidate the affected trade chain(s) and not the entire results set. In addition if the problem can be resolved by the most directly affected party or parties, then that is perfectly acceptable.

If you've never used the OLWLG before:

1) Follow this link - http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/bgglogin.cgi
2) Enter your BGG name and click on "Send Now".
3) You will receive a GeekMail containing your own personal link to the new OLWLG.
4) For assistance using the OLWLG please see the links provided above.
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The official Wants list can be found at http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/49804-officialwants.txt
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The results can be found at http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/trades-summary.cgi?listid=...
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Well, it's been a few years since my last round as Math Trade organizer, but I ran this past JeffyJeff, and he was willing to add this one to the OLWLG, so away we go!
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Actually, one question: does anybody think I should just open the list for submissions tonight so people have the whole Christmas period to post stuff, in addition to the post-Christmas block I've set aside so far?
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Just open it up. What does it hurt?
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I think my main thought was that in the past people have gotten grumpy about long submission windows, but I suppose usually that had been in the absence of Christmas.
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Ok, it's open. I should note that I'll be more or less incommunicado from the 23rd through the 27th, so questions early in the submission window may have to wait a few days for answers.
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It might be worth moving back the start date to at least Christmas so that people who've been holding off on trading until they get gifts can post things during a lazy Christmas afternoon. The Saturday also is a worthwhile day to allow submissions during.

EDIT: And of course I left this compose open long enough that my message was obsolete by the time it was posted. Oh well.
 
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Why does it hurt it to open it now? People can still post on Saturday afternoon.
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doubtofbuddha wrote:
Why does it hurt it to open it now? People can still post on Saturday afternoon.

Yeah, while I opened the list early, I didn't move the end of the submission window, so people can still post until the day after New Years Day.
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is there a request list yet?
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I hadn't been planning on setting one up, but if there's a real demand for one, I can do so. Given the purpose of the trade I thought it kind of superfluous.
 
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Thanks for this one David, it'll be a nice one to finish the year off.
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Dspitzle wrote:
I hadn't been planning on setting one up, but if there's a real demand for one, I can do so. Given the purpose of the trade I thought it kind of superfluous.


I may be alone in this, but I treat every math trade the same regardless of the purpose or theme behind it. I just post the games I want to trade and pick the ones I hope for in return.

Thanks for running this, by the way!
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Thanks for opening this up early. I don't know if I have anything to offer but I will see.

I put my requests here:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/49819

Thanks you!
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Did you realize the trade list is on Geekdo not BGG. I never go to geekdo and just found it odd.
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if it is on one, it is on the other, just replace geekdo with boardgamegeek in the url.

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Thanks that did the trick. Learn something new everyday...
 
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Since there is no request geeklist, I'll list this here. I'm looking primarily for Winsome games and some Xbox 360 titles.

Winsome titles

Wooden Shoes & Iron Monsters

Union vs. Central

Locomotive Werks

Gulf, Mobile & Ohio: Expansion #1


Xbox 360 titles

Assassin's Creed 1 &/or 2
Borderlands
Brutal Legend
Dragon Age: Origins
Fable 2
Ghostbusters
Halo 3 &/or ODST
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2
Ninja Gaiden 2
Skate 2
Street Fighter 4



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Mr_Nuts wrote:
Dspitzle wrote:
I hadn't been planning on setting one up, but if there's a real demand for one, I can do so. Given the purpose of the trade I thought it kind of superfluous.


I may be alone in this, but I treat every math trade the same regardless of the purpose or theme behind it. I just post the games I want to trade and pick the ones I hope for in return.

Thanks for running this, by the way!


I think the main implication of the theme in this case is I'm giving people license to add pretty much anything of potential trade value, games or not. I'm actually going to be placing almost entirely game items, but I think every now and then it invigorates the trading to allow hedge trimmers and the like into the offer pool. Whether that happens this go-round, we'll see.
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It has been a long time since you last did a Math Trade. Welcome back.

This one should be fun. I hope to put up some outside the scope items, and hope others do too.

Happy Holidays to all.
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David, I hope you don't mind, but I made a request list. I think otherwise this discussion thread will soon be cluttered with requests.

http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/49819/end-of-year-utility-...

If you don't like it then just let me know and I will delete it.

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I'll be adding games to both the MT, and the request list after Xmas, after I open my SS gifts! Thanks for running this one David!
(Hopefully the request list gets checked that late)
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TGov wrote:
David, I hope you don't mind, but I made a request list. I think otherwise this discussion thread will soon be cluttered with requests.

http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/49819/end-of-year-utility-...

If you don't like it then just let me know and I will delete it.



No problem, Brandon, I never argue when somebody else is willing to contribute labor I'll update the MT descriptions here and on the trade list to point to the request list.

Oh, and if anybody's looking for some specific non-game item, you may as well request it; this is the right MT for such things, and a lot of folks may not think to post something non-game unless they .
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