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I posted some pictures to spice up the topic, but they were moderated. My sincere apologies to the moderator for my violation, it wasn't intentional and it won't happen again

Funny thing is that those pictures were exhibited in the main building of the world's largest Protestant church. This one should be prudent enough for BGG though:



The exhibition was called Ecce Homo

But what do you think, is God ok with porn?

I know very well what the general Christian view is, but as there are many literalists here, I wonder if there are any hard-coded God-inspired Words on this.

I personally get morally disgusted by most porn. But that's because 1) A lot of girls with emotional/financial issues are being used and humiliated on Internet for everyone to see, including their future children's classmates. And because 2) A lot of, if not most, porn includes mild physical abuse and degradation and portrays situations that are highly unlikely in real life, all of which might have adverse effects on young teenagers whose first ideas of what sex really is might be based on what is just fantasies produced for a middle-aged man who probably wouldn't like to treat his loved wife like that, or anyone else for that matter. This is especially serious in countries where teachers/parents don't speak openly about sex with kids, leaving a vacuum to be filled by one of the most cynical industries on earth.

For these reasons, there has been produced a lot of "Feminist porn" that politically correct wankers can watch with good conscience. Is there specialised Christian porn out there somewhere, for incorrigible self-polluters to indulge in without risking hell?
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I know very well what the general Christian view is, but as there are many literalists here, I wonder if there are any hard-coded God-inspired Words on this.


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But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
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What if you're not lusting after the woman? Like, you don't want her at all. Like, you can watch porn, but not actually want to have sex with the woman in it.

What if you just imagine yourself with your wife?

Or, what if you not married? You can't commit adultery if you're not married.
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What if you're not lusting after the woman? Like, you don't want her at all. Like, you can watch porn, but not actually want to have sex with the woman in it.

What if you just imagine yourself with your wife?

Or, what if you not married? You can't commit adultery if you're not married.


I think it's rather pointless with porn for people who absolutely don't get it, who are strictly 100% gay or sth. I don't think it is porn then. That'd be art. And there's plenty of nude (or close to nude) Christian art. But you're not allowed to use that as porn, as soon as you start to take a liking to those old oil paintings, you should turn your eyes away.

But with your own wife! Hello again, Bible readers, will you assist us in yet another annoying question? Is it alright to produce porn with your husband/wife, and then look at it with the most passionate intent?
 
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My God doesn't sure doesn't care. Sexual desire is like every other biological imperative, just another evolutionary adaptation that's part of being human. Porno is like any other form of expression, its morality is contextual.

It's kinda like watching Food Network and getting hungry, the morality of the act depends on what you do with the feelings you experience, but the fact that you became hungry is a neutral neurological reaction that has nothing to do with your immortal soul.
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For these reasons, there has been produced a lot of "Feminist porn" that politically correct wankers can watch with good conscience. Is there specialised Christian porn out there somewhere, for incorrigible self-polluters to indulge in without risking hell?
The bolded part has a very negative ring to it. As if the wankers are doing 'the right thing' only to be correct.

Maybe the reason for feminist porn is that there are men who like to watch porn without women being abused. Or maybe just to be sure that "no harm was done in real life to any of the participating women in this movie"*). Or maybe couples who want to watch together. Anyway, as soon as I find out where to get it I'll let you know which of the above 'maybes' is true.


"*)Pun at the 'no animals are harmed'-disclaimer in action movies
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A friend of mine used to sit all nights watching porn. He could sit 5 hours in a row and just watch and watch. And then go to work without sleeping more than two hours, Many things I can understand about this topic, but that I cannot understand. He was obviously sick and should have got some professional help.


Really? Oh, crap. I'll see you guys in a few weeks...
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Not that I agree with it, but this passage can be used to condemn pretty much anything social conservatives don't like, and was my evangelical friends' main argument to condemn gays:

Romans Chapter 1:
God's Wrath Against Mankind

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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I still don't get how anal sex, licking pussy, boasting, and disobeying your parents are all actions at the same moral level as murder, deceit, and ruthlessness.

But I guess that's why I no longer believe in an Angry Patriarchal Desert Deity from the 21st Century, B.C.
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I've watched a lot of porn star interviews, and lots of women have strong Christian backgrounds, but they felt sexually repressed.

I don't think you can generalize about where "all porn actresses" come from and how their "destitute childhood" makes them porn stars. In the majority of interviews I've seen (which is a lot since almost every scene has a five-minute interview), women are from working-class to middle-class backgrounds, and most joined to experience something new, make a few videos, while earning a few thousand for college, and keeping things secret from their family and friends. Not as morally pure as Mahatma Gandhi, but certainly no worse than selling pot to make your way through school.

That being said, I watch what the major porn studios produce and shy away from the creepy underground abusive shit.

Right now I'm ordering Jenna Jameson's autobiography, and the reviews say she really had a bad experience in porn, and wants to caution others to stay away, even though she's the best paid actress in porno history. And this is interesting because she certainly isn't going to become an anti-porn right-winger anytime soon, I think she's still making movies.

Probably the most interesting porn personality to look at is Luke Ford, a strongly Jewish "porn journalist". Read about him here on this University of Southern California website:
http://www.ojr.org/ojr/workplace/1017968399.php

Don't worry it doesn't have filthy naughty porno pictures like this one:
http://laist.com/attachments/la_koga/DSC057524.jpg

 
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_Kael_ wrote:
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Mondainai wrote:
For these reasons, there has been produced a lot of "Feminist porn" that politically correct wankers can watch with good conscience. Is there specialised Christian porn out there somewhere, for incorrigible self-polluters to indulge in without risking hell?
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The bolded part has a very negative ring to it. As if the wankers are doing 'the right thing' only to be correct.
I am reconquering the word politically correct. To me it's positive, meaning "to behave in a correct way according to your political view of what needs to be done in the world".

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Maybe the reason for feminist porn is that there are men who like to watch porn without women being abused.
Aha, you mean those hippie liberal pussies who think they impress anyone by not paying men in San Fernardo Valley to hit young girls in the face while exploiting their lack of money and childhood? shake

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Anyway, as soon as I find out where to get it I'll let you know which of the above 'maybes' is true.
Here you go:
http://www.dirtydiaries.se/
It's probably on Pirate Bay as well. It's on the house - 35,000 € of my tax money went into that movie. Which happens to be what our two princesses bought handbags for last year. I think I prefer the movie.
 
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According to scripture, can I lust after Neytiri, Aki Ross or Power Girl?
 
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According to scripture, can I lust after Neytiri, Aki Ross or Power Girl?


No, Yes, Yes
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Christianity taught me that sex is dirty, filthy, dangerous, repulsive, base, and icky; and therefore I should save it for someone I love.

No, Christianity teaches that fornication is dirty, filthy, dangerous, repulsive, base, and icky. That is an important distinction. Sex is to be reserved as an expression of love between a husband and wife. If is not DX giving into his base instincts, rutting and pouncing upon the next available female because he needs to experience orgasm.
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I've watched a lot of porn star interviews, and lots of women have strong Christian backgrounds, but they felt sexually repressed.

I don't think you can generalize about where "all porn actresses" come from and how their "destitute childhood" makes them porn stars. In the majority of interviews I've seen (which is a lot since almost every scene has a five-minute interview), women are from working-class to middle-class backgrounds, and most joined to experience something new, make a few videos, while earning a few thousand for college, and keeping things secret from their family and friends. Not as morally pure as Mahatma Gandhi, but certainly no worse than selling pot to make your way through school.

That being said, I watch what the major porn studios produce and shy away from the creepy underground abusive shit.

Right now I'm ordering Jenna Jameson's autobiography, and the reviews say she really had a bad experience in porn, and wants to caution others to stay away, even though she's the best paid actress in porno history. And this is interesting because she certainly isn't going to become an anti-porn right-winger anytime soon, I think she's still making movies.

Probably the most interesting porn personality to look at is Luke Ford, a strongly Jewish "porn journalist". Read about him here on this University of Southern California website:
http://www.ojr.org/ojr/workplace/1017968399.php

Don't worry it doesn't have filthy naughty porno pictures like this one:
http://laist.com/attachments/la_koga/DSC057524.jpg


Do you think they'd sit and begin your film experience with telling about they were raped by their uncle at age 10 and how they never knew their dads, and how this made them look for recognition among older males at a very early age etc etc. It's a film, and the interview is part of it. Of course much of it is 100% real and all that, but no matter what's behind the make-up, they're always gonna say show a "normal girl" facade, because that's what most men want. A happy normal girl who wants to play. And that is in itself a great relief to think of. I'd be horrible if a majority of viewers wanted the misery and pain.

Anyway, I don't think ALL women in this trade are raped from childhood and just keep punishing themselves (which for some reason seems to happen often, even sometimes with adult victims). But I think a LOT of them do, that they are grossly overrepresented, and that getting involved as a customer is to provide the money that persuades them to once again get undressed and buttfucked in front of the camera. I don't condemn anyone, don't want to preach, write a book which says some should go to hell or anything, but now that we sort of got here, I felt I needed to open my mouth and let the vomit out. These people are daughters, sisters and, now or later, mothers, and you wouldn't like any of your own loved ones to be there wist a fist in mouth, spanking, running make-up, derogatory terms being spat at them, self esteem and confidence and dignity just pushed down by guys who aren't that much happier themselves (and much lower paid).

But not a single drip of my vomit falls on the girls. Not at all. They're not using anyone, they're being used (yeah yeah, I know that X% are in total control of their psyche and so on, but that doesn't give me reason to chip in for the continuous rape of the remaining (100-x)%) and I'd never throw a stone in that way. In fact, that was my problem with Seven, the movie. When it was time for Lust, the killer forced a man to punish a prostitute by raping here with a strap-on dagger. That made me wanna put that strap-on dagger on myself and go home to the director and go 7 on his behind. Lust-filled men go to her, and she is in a most desperate situation as most prostitutes are, and then she gets the strap-on dagger. It's like killing the shop owner that sold all the bacon to the obese guy, or kill the customer of the Greed victim. I'm still upset, although it was 7 years since I saw it.

And yes, I think it's a lot better to pay for college by getting jizzed in the eye in front of every American with Internet in their home then by stealing cars or selling dope. But you know what would be even better? That college education was recognized as a basic human right, and that the great secondary effects of education learning on tax income, social mobility, social fabric, invention power, income inequality, minority pops etc etc was recognized as well. For one thing, you frankly don't need that many blue collar workers, getting more of them will make you wanna shield off foreign competition, which will eventually make you a more protected and less competitive economy. So you need a lot of that workforce to change the color of their collars, and that's done in colleges. But no, that's communism, that's Satan Obama go Stalin on our assess, it's better we let the cute and poor suck cock in front of the whole nation if they want to study, that's actually quite practical, because then I don't have to take the trouble tell my kids what sex really is. And the poor and ugly? Well, if they wanted to go to college then they should have known better than being born so poor and ugly.

I'd have no issues with neither porn or prostitution if we were born more equal. In Utopia, where everyone gets comparable scoops of love waiting for them on the other side of the mommy's vagina, where everyone gets a realistic choice whether they want to aim for waitress, doctor or sex worker, in such a place, I'd be toooootally fine with everyone I knew spending any money they want on human flesh in various forms.

But in today's world I'm not totally fine with that. But what if you agree with most of my rant here but NEVERTHELESS want some digital romantic company? Well, fear not, the Swedish welfare state has thought of you as well, and funded this movie featuring 100% feminist porn for you. http://www.dirtydiaries.se/ If you can't wait for the dvd:s to pass the Atlantic, just grab it off Pirate Bay.
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So, society is at fault for porn since college education isn't considered a fundamental right?

Geez, what do you NOT want to be a fundamental right?
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jageroxorz wrote:
So, society is at fault for porn since college education isn't considered a fundamental right?

Geez, what do you NOT want to be a fundamental right?


Porn has many causes:
Market demand for porn
Scarred girls predisposed for agreeing to be fucked on TV
Market demand for unskilled labor (outside porn)
The price level, in which college fees might be a part.

However, I don't really think college fees are that heavy in the equation, it was someone else who thought it was great that girls could pornact their way to college. And I thought it'd be even more awesome if they could go to college without getting their assholes stretched on TV.

But I understand that you think it's better they get themselves fucked the shit out of and have that on video so it can come up at anytime in their careers, than if you chip in some for their college fees.

As for fundamental rights, I'd personally say food, shelter, health care and education. The exact nature of all this can be discussed of course.
 
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Bearcat89 wrote:
dysjunct wrote:
Christianity taught me that sex is dirty, filthy, dangerous, repulsive, base, and icky; and therefore I should save it for someone I love.

No, Christianity teaches that fornication is dirty, filthy, dangerous, repulsive, base, and icky. That is an important distinction. Sex is to be reserved as an expression of love between a husband and wife. If is not DX giving into his base instincts, rutting and pouncing upon the next available female because he needs to experience orgasm.

It's a very flimsy distinction.
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Christianity taught me that sex is dirty, filthy, dangerous, repulsive, base, and icky; and therefore I should save it for someone I love.


No, Christianity teaches that fornication is dirty, filthy, dangerous, repulsive, base, and icky. That is an important distinction. Sex is to be reserved as an expression of love between a husband and wife. If is not DX giving into his base instincts, rutting and pouncing upon the next available female because he needs to experience orgasm.


Well, (a) I was making a joke, and sacrificing accuracy on purpose. So don't take it serious.

But (b) while I am aware that your post expresses the "official" line of many conservative Christians, a lot of that gets lost in the cultural context. Growing up in a conservative Christian home, I received the explicit message you convey. But the implicit message I received was that sex was bad. Changing the channel every time sex is mentioned, that kind of thing.

While a lot of younger/emergent Christians are getting better at talking about and dealing with sexuality openly and honestly, most Christians have had serious problems getting that nuance across not only to the culture at large, but also to many of their members.
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But in today's world I'm not totally fine with that. But what if you agree with most of my rant here but NEVERTHELESS want some digital romantic company? Well, fear not, the Swedish welfare state has thought of you as well, and funded this movie featuring 100% feminist porn for you. http://www.dirtydiaries.se/ If you can't wait for the dvd:s to pass the Atlantic, just grab it off Pirate Bay.


Is it any good? Will you post a review or do I have to check it out?

By the way, to circunvent the dilemna between hotness of porn and the underlying societal problems, maybe you can do with fake porn, you know, comics and that sort of stuff.
I used to buy some pretty good porn comics with my lunch money when I was a young teen (and I don't mean some ugly Japanese alien-tentacle-porn-manga crap)
 
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dysjunct wrote:

But (b) while I am aware that your post expresses the "official" line of many conservative Christians, a lot of that gets lost in the cultural context. Growing up in a conservative Christian home, I received the explicit message you convey. But the implicit message I received was that sex was bad. Changing the channel every time sex is mentioned, that kind of thing.

Ditto here.

The other thing I always questioned is exactly why fornication was considered so dirty and repulsive to the Christians I grew up around. It was certainly a much worse sin than lying or stealing. Over the years I've come to believe it's mostly because the biological sex drive is a great reminder that we're really just animals, not super-special snowflakes created individually by a loving sculptor. And anything that reminds us of that is anathema to the doctrine.
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dysjunct wrote:

But (b) while I am aware that your post expresses the "official" line of many conservative Christians, a lot of that gets lost in the cultural context. Growing up in a conservative Christian home, I received the explicit message you convey. But the implicit message I received was that sex was bad. Changing the channel every time sex is mentioned, that kind of thing.

Ditto here.

The other thing I always questioned is exactly why fornication was considered so dirty and repulsive to the Christians I grew up around. It was certainly a much worse sin than lying or stealing. Over the years I've come to believe it's mostly because the biological sex drive is a great reminder that we're really just animals, not super-special snowflakes created individually by a loving sculptor. And anything that reminds us of that is anathema to the doctrine.


Do you what I find even more interesting.........why are Christians (especially in the USA) so upset by nudity? It seems that violence in movies and video games is somewhat acceptable, but if your child sees a boob or an ass cheek, somehow that is a grievous offense.
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dysjunct wrote:
While a lot of younger/emergent Christians are getting better at talking about and dealing with sexuality openly and honestly, most Christians have had serious problems getting that nuance across not only to the culture at large, but also to many of their members.


And when the lack of sex-ed is combined with porn shake
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