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Matt Pinchuk
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Any suggestions for a book on game theory that incorporates boardgames?
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I would suggest either Winning Ways for your Mathematical Plays by Berlekamp, or, if you enjoy poker, The Mathematics of Poker by Bill Chen.

Either will give you good insights into Game Theory.

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All of them? I have one that I've been toting around for a week that doesn't specifically reference board games, from what I've read, but I expect it to.
 
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Most game theory games are mathematically oriented and have little practical advice for boardgamers. I think you'd get more out of books on strategy generally and books devoted to particular games for playing tips.
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Don't really want playing tips, just some insight into game theory that references actual games that I may have played.
"Moves in Mind: The Psychology of Board Games" is one that I was looking at, but it is out of print and really expensive to buy.
 
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check out "Rules of Play - Game Design Fundamentals" by Katie Salen and Eric Zimmerman.

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Really, game theory books don't talk about the kind of games that are most popular at BGG (eurogames, wargames, ameritrash games, etc) and aren't going to directly discuss how to play them. Unless you're talking about very well-known classic games like Chess and Go and Poker etc, in which case you already know that plenty of books exist discussing their strategy.

But that said, check out:
"The mathematics of games" by John D. Beasley which gives some example applications of different types of game theory and other math to games and game situations.

For combinatorial games specifically:
"Winning Ways"
"Lessons in Play"
"On numbers and games"
Note that combinatorial game theory is not necessarily easy.

If your goal is to learn how to play typical BGG type games better, I think you'd be better served by reading good strategy articles in the forums for games that you're interested in. And talking with experienced players. Do post-mortem analyses of games you've just finished; ask a stronger player if they could mention any obvious blunders they think you made.
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Again, I am not looking for strategy, I am looking for some explanations and evidence for social and psychological effects of games on people.

russ wrote:
Really, game theory books don't talk about the kind of games that are most popular at BGG (eurogames, wargames, ameritrash games, etc) and aren't going to directly discuss how to play them. Unless you're talking about very well-known classic games like Chess and Go and Poker etc, in which case you already know that plenty of books exist discussing their strategy.

But that said, check out:
"The mathematics of games" by John D. Beasley which gives some example applications of different types of game theory and other math to games and game situations.

For combinatorial games specifically:
"Winning Ways"
"Lessons in Play"
"On numbers and games"
Note that combinatorial game theory is not necessarily easy. :)

If your goal is to learn how to play typical BGG type games better, I think you'd be better served by reading good strategy articles in the forums for games that you're interested in. And talking with experienced players. Do post-mortem analyses of games you've just finished; ask a stronger player if they could mention any obvious blunders they think you made.
 
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mpin wrote:
Don't really want playing tips, just some insight into game theory that references actual games that I may have played.
"Moves in Mind: The Psychology of Board Games" is one that I was looking at, but it is out of print and really expensive to buy.

Try this:
http://books.google.com/books?id=fR7xZlGnyl0C&dq=%22moves+in...
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You may find this interesting:

http://www.amazon.com/Grasshopper-Games-Life-Utopia/dp/15511...
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davidwtc wrote:
mpin wrote:
Don't really want playing tips, just some insight into game theory that references actual games that I may have played.
"Moves in Mind: The Psychology of Board Games" is one that I was looking at, but it is out of print and really expensive to buy.

Try this:
http://books.google.com/books?id=fR7xZlGnyl0C&dq=%22moves+in...



I already said that this book is hard to get for a good price. I would like something a little more accessible.
 
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mrfurious wrote:


This looks interesting. Thanks.
 
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mpin wrote:
Again, I am not looking for strategy, I am looking for some explanations and evidence for social and psychological effects of games on people.


Rules of Play (mentioned by LC above) covers some of that. The bibliography will be well worth looking through.
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I agree that the Rules of Play bibliography is probably your best resource.

how about stuff by:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihaly_Csikszentmihalyi
in particular, his statements regarding flow get referenced in every design book worth reading.

same with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Ludens
by Huizinga.

and I know there have been several studies on the psychological effects of chess, which is probably something you can google ;P
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