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i just got hooked on card sleeves

now im thinking about other things that get worn out quickly, and my mind turned to the play money found in games like Power Grid and St. Petersburg

thoughts?
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Then you can sleeve all the counters, tokens, cubes, meeples, dice, etc... And the rulebook...

Meanwhile, in the real world, I have never had game money wear out...
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I find card sleeves more annoying than helpfull :(
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Most people around here will likely tell you to use poker chips, but I myself prefer paper money because it looks like money. When I got Power Grid, I bought a pack of monopoly money to use, although that's not quite satisfactory, since the Power Grid money is nicely thematic. I'm not sure I'd want to use sleeves though, but I have a different solution...

I've printed my own money for several games, using scans of the original game money. I've done this for Chicago Express, St Petersburg, and Dice Town. I've been happy with how this has worked - I don't mind people scrunching up or folding the money, since I can always print more, and I get to enjoy the money that whichever artist designed for that game.
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Buy two games. One to play, one to look at.

It's game money. Normally there is enough in it to last a lifetime, unless you chew on it. And it's not even crucial. You could use real coins, poker chips or generic game money as a replacement.

Sleeved money? shake
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I have scanned and printed out paper money for several older games in my families collection - its not really a problem unlike card wear.
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Money sleeves? Nah, but you could try and laminate the money and cut off excess material so that it stays easy to handle.
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This makes me wonder if some really obsessive players might notice that over time their sleeves become damaged... and so they want to sleeve their sleeves.
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Go to your bank and exchange some money for that of a country's that has a very weak currency. No need for sleeving, maximum "realism".

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Far easier to sleeve yourself and all the other players!
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Crazy_Dave wrote:
Far easier to sleeve yourself and all the other players!

Isn't everyone playing like this?
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I got one of these for Christmas and house all my games in it. Its even four-player compatible. It does sort of stink when you have a 5/6 player game though:



It fits the Pandemic Theme perfectly. Notice the zip-lock bags on the top shelf in the picture? Thats for putting tokens in to protect them further INSIDE the glove box.

Yes I'm kidding.
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Well like it is said. Its a game, its made to play. Yes of course some stuff can get damaged rather quick, think of all the shuffeling of dominion cards. But I don't think the money will become damaged a lot.
 
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Some paper money has just the right amount of strange coarseness to induce a visceral reaction in me slightly akin to fingernails running down a chalkboard. Sleeves would certainly help this, though I doubt that I would use them. I will continue to cope and spend my money on games instead.

All that said, I am surprised by the negative/joking reaction to this suggestion. When I first started playing games, I was amazed that people would sleeve their cards, but I now know it is common and rather sensible. We spend good money on these games. Anyhow, I don't find this suggestion all that far fetched.
 
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Auricle wrote:
All that said, I am surprised by the negative/joking reaction to this suggestion. When I first started playing games, I was amazed that people would sleeve their cards, but I now know it is common and rather sensible. We spend good money on these games. Anyhow, I don't find this suggestion all that far fetched.


What can I say? The idea of sleeving paper game money (and trying to economically justify it) does seem comical to me. Here's why:

I've heard 2 arguments for sleeving cards:

1. The cards get destroyed by careless or hyper-sweaty players.

2. The cards can get marked and distinguishable, which is bad if the game depends on you not being able to identify cards by their backs.

So how does this apply to paper game money?

1. I've NEVER seen game money destroyed by players. And I've owned some economic games that saw a lot of play. And even if someone does destroy a bill, so what? There's plenty more where that one came from! It doesn't hurt your game to have one fewer $5 bills! In the worst case, you could buy or print or draw more money cheaper than the time and money investment to sleeve the bills.

2. Distinguishability of paper money bills is not an issue. I don't care if you can tell one $5 bill from another.

Even if some disaster befalls a game and I have to replace its cards or money, is that cost really going to be more than the total cost I spent sleeving all my games in case some disaster strikes one of them?

Maybe other people have worse luck or messier friends, but I've been playing games for decades, and I don't recall having to replace ANY of my cards or money in games... so card sleeves seem to be a losing proposition to me, seen from an economic standpoint, at least for me.

They seem like a product that follows the classic marketing strategy of playing upon people's fears: "Oh no, someone might ruin one of my valuable games! I better wrap all my games in plastic!" And meanwhile the sleeved cards are a pain in the ass to shuffle* and clumsier to handle, and so the game is less enjoyable to play, and the cards often no longer fit in the supplied box or space in the box.

It's like keeping your otherwise comfortable sofa and easy chairs permanently covered in uncomfortable clear plastic.

*Yes, I know a few people claim they find it easier to shuffle sleeved cards. Most people I know think it is harder.
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Auricle wrote:

All that said, I am surprised by the negative/joking reaction to this suggestion. When I first started playing games, I was amazed that people would sleeve their cards, but I now know it is common and rather sensible. We spend good money on these games. Anyhow, I don't find this suggestion all that far fetched.

I can understand that people put sleeves on their cards. Some games need a lot of shuffling and handling. Some cards are also of bad quality and wear easily.
But money is not shuffled, not handled all the time like some cards. Money is interchangeable. It doesn't matter if one bill shows more wear than the other. And if you wash your hands normally, i doubt that there is any need for money sleeves until your game almost crumbles to dust.

As suggested, there are other possibilities. You can wash poker chips and use them with every game, you wouldn't need sleeves for every game this way. Also the idea of printing your own money is great.

And don't forget: They are JUST games. Even if you paid 50$ or more for it, it's not worth getting OCD over the wear of a game. If you have gotten so many plays out of a game that the original money is disintegrated i'd say that it was worth the price. Or do you protect every other item in your life against use? Furniture? Clothing?
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The lowest I stooped is laminating the money for my Star Trek monopoly.

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Gold-pressed Laminate.
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Since I have bought me a case full with poker chips, my game money will never be touched by greasy fingers no more meeple

Much easier to handle than paper money and much more durable!
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Whatcha' gonna do, the debate will always rage on even though it's a matter of personal preference.
Some people are always going to sleeve their cards, myself included and some people are never going to sleeve their cards.
 
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Instead of buying sleeves and using paper money, instead use the artcow special offer of 20% off and free postage to buy a few decks of cards to replace the paper.

Benefits are that they are easier to hold and keep hidden (they all have the same back)

There are templates already set up for powergrid, dont know about st petersberg (however there are generic sets available)

Cant remember the thread but it is a list of artscow decks in a geeklist on here somewhere
 
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russ wrote:
I've NEVER seen game money destroyed by players.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen paper money destroyed by players. I've certainly seen some grubby ones with no straight edges and with a different texture than they had when they were new, but I think it's always been easy to read the value on the paper money.

Game coins on the other hand...

Here's two photos of Puerto Rico and Caylus coins from games owned by a gaming group with a weekly gaming night.

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I tend not to sleeve things, I could replace every game I've bought that has become unplayable due to card damage for the cost of sleeving every game I've ever bought. Maybe that works out less favorably after a lifetime, but I've been buying games for over a decade and it's not an issue yet.

That being said if you sleeve cards I can see some games you'd want to sleeve money in. Junta for instance has money that must be indistinguishable from the back and that it'd mess up the game if the cards were marked.
 
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