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Jeremiah Lee
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When you send a ship to Terra de Boa Gente, you get a free crew member:

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1 Sailor (taken from the Recruiting Area or, at the Player’s choice,
picked from the bag) for each Ship sent to Terra de Boa Gente;


my question is: does "at the Player's choice" refer to the choice between taking from the recruiting area or the bag, or does it refer to his choice of color *from* the bag? The language above suggests the former, but this question came up during my first play last night.. any ideas?
 
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The reason you pick from the bag is to get a random pick. If they wanted you to look in the bag for a particular color, they would have said so. So if you don't want what's out there, you get a random sailor.
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My initial reading of the rules was also that it was random, but my wife pointed out that it a "pick" not a "draw", which is the word typically used in rules to designate random selection.

I also think that the power to get a sailor of any color is more in line with the game design (or, at least, it is the way I would be inclined to design that portion of the game).

So we've been playing it as "take one sailor of any color from either the board or the bag."
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Thanks, Jennifer. They could have also made it clear by saying "picking, at random, from the bag." In other places in the rules where it clearly is meant to be random, they use the words "draw" and "extract and deploy." If they had used "draw" in this rule, I don't think there would have been any confusion.

There are instances where one might want to choose a sailor from the bag versus taking one off the board (for example, you have turn order, and the color you want this turn is in an Active Section at a cost that will be advantageous for you next turn), so the mere fact that the sailor comes from the bag doesn't necessarily mean that you wanted it to be (or the designer meant it to be) a random pick.
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chally wrote:
My initial reading of the rules was also that it was random, but my wife pointed out that it a "pick" not a "draw", which is the word typically used in rules to designate random selection.

I also think that the power to get a sailor of any color is more in line with the game design (or, at least, it is the way I would be inclined to design that portion of the game).

So we've been playing it as "take one sailor of any color from either the board or the bag."


This is the way we have been playing this as well. There are some situations where you would want to take a piece out of the bag rather than the board so as not to disturb the distribution of pieces.

To me, a random pick is not consistent with the rest of the game esp. considering how important the crew colors are.
 
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I've been doing random picks... in theory. In actuality, the player has always chosen one from the board.

KenH wrote:
To me, a random pick is not consistent with the rest of the game esp. considering how important the crew colors are.


Hmmm. I'm not so sure about this. I don't see the inconsistency.


Perhaps the designer will chime in on this soon. It hasn't made any difference to my games yet but I suppose it could one day.
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I think it is still consistent; it's one of the game's random elements. Like where the free action marker will end up, the ordering of the ships, and the distribution of sailors.
 
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Pick implies active choice to me, so no random draw in my opinion.
 
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Pick implies select the one you want to me too, as well, but this seems far from clear. Is it obvious in the original language?
 
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I believe it is a random pick and the translation is misleading. When Paulo Mori looked at my player aid, where I specifically spelled out that it was a random pick, he did not correct that as an error.

That's all I've got on the matter.

-Helen
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It's badly translated or a bad choice of words. I can assure you that you may take a sailor from those standing in the available boxes (One unit) OR a sailor randomly picked from the bag.

Hope that helps
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Paolo Mori
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Yes, it is a random draw. Poor word choice, as Paulo said. Sorry!

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"1 Sailor (taken from the Recruiting Area or, at the Player’s choice,
picked from the bag) for each Ship sent to Terra de Boa Gente;"

My reading: the choice referred to is the choice between taking one from the recruiting area or a random one from the bag.

If the choice was referring to picking a specific one from the bag, it would say of the player's choice.
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Thanks Paolo,

It's nice to get an offical answer from the game designer.

Random pick it is.
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