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Joe Kundlak
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Hi folks,

there have been questions about introductory worker-placement games or steup-ups from Stone Age or Agricola or Le Havre.

But there has been no question on the other side of the spectrum - THE APEX OF WORKER-PLACEMENT!


Which game does fit that category?
Which one is the meatiest, heaviest, longest and/or everything of that combined?
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I still prefer the granddaddy -- Caylus. It's the first worker placement game I ever played, and it's still one of the most complex.

The rules themselves aren't that complicated, but the strategies are. This is a game that, like Chess, you play once and think you understand the rules. You play again and get your ass handed to you by an experienced player, but you think you grasp the strategy. "Oh, *now* I understand what to do!" And then you get your ass handed to you again. And again. And again. Change up the strategy, rinse, and repeat.

Every time I peel this onion, it makes me cry.
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I´d say Agricola is the longest and haevies, but Caylus is not far behind.

Maybe Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery is even more heavy, but i´ve not played it yet.
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Antiquity?
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efrazier wrote:
I still prefer the granddaddy -- Caylus. It's the first worker placement game I ever played, and it's still one of the most complex.

The rules themselves aren't that complicated, but the strategies are. This is a game that, like Chess, you play once and think you understand the rules. You play again and get your ass handed to you by an experienced player, but you think you grasp the strategy. "Oh, *now* I understand what to do!" And then you get your ass handed to you again. And again. And again. Change up the strategy, rinse, and repeat.

Every time I peel this onion, it makes me cry.


Exactly.

Caylus - The original and the deepest.


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I wonder... are there no deeper or heavier games than Caylus?
Indeed, its strategies are quite endless and there are many paths to victory, but still...
 
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Agricola is the apex, though I think the position that either Caylus or Le Havre have that spot is a reasonable one to have.

As for whether there are deeper or heavier games than Caylus? Yes, of course there are. Have you played the 18XX games?

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doubtofbuddha wrote:
Agricola is the apex, though I think the position that either Caylus or Le Havre have that spot is a reasonable one to have.

As for whether there are deeper or heavier games than Caylus? Yes, of course there are. Have you played the 18XX games?


I meant in the field of Worker-placement
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I can't figure out how to perma-link this, but you can go to the worker placement mechanism page:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgamemechanic/2082/worker-p...

Then under "Linked Items", you can sort by weight. Top 6 in order:
Caylus
Le Harve
Neuland
Stronghold
Mecanisburgo
Agricola

Granted it's more fun to ask people, just thought I'd throw it out there.
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Ah, yes... searched for how to sort them by something, I just used the Game Search

But also the Weight rating is somewhat subjective and as you say I would like to hear people's oppinions. For instance because I think that Caylus really is not the heaviest worker-placement game out there, and for me it is at least on-par with Agricola or Le Havre. Subjectively cool
 
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If you stretch the definition a bit you might call Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization a worker placement game. And this one is certainly a complex beast of game! It is also pure brilliance in a box.

The reason why it doesn't quite compare with other worker placement games is that there is no competition for spots to place your workers in. Each player has their own cards to place their workers on. Apart from that, I'd say it is a worker placement game.
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Bolger wrote:
If you stretch the definition a bit you might call Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization a worker placement game. And this one is certainly a complex beast of game! It is also pure brilliance in a box.

The reason why it doesn't quite compare with other worker placement games is that there is no competition for spots to place your workers in. Each player has their own cards to place their workers on. Apart from that, I'd say it is a worker placement game.


I believe that would make it worker management.
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I've got it, The Climbers!



Ha! In your face other-boardgame-recommender-type peoples!
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greyareabeyond wrote:
I've got it, The Climbers!



Ha! In your face other-boardgame-recommender-type peoples!


Sigh. Darn. You won...
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What about Dungeon Lords or Stronghold?
 
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Stronghold?

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Dungeon lords is complex but not especially deep. Calling Stronghold a worker placement game is stretching it.
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Being my only Worker-Placement game in the collection I'm going to back Stone Age!
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opks22 wrote:
Stronghold?


See? The question mark at the end of my question? See? ninja

Anyways, it is listed as "worker-placement" so the poor slob who added it to the database like that will pay with blood then!!!! goo
 
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