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Jeremy Yoder
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I'm gonna play this game soon (with 3) and I'm wondering which bidding people like the most, or if it's all good. There's 1-by-1-open-bidding, all-reveal-at-once-bidding, and a secret bid until the round is over.
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Daniël Muilwijk
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1-by-1-open-bidding, can't sum up to the number of tricks available
This is my favourite, I play it all the time. Ofcourse, sometimes you're screwed because you can't bid the amount you want to bid, but the fact that someone is going to fail for each hand maked the game tight which is good.

all-reveal-at-once
This is played at BrettSpielWelt. This is a nice version to play and it's the fairest version, because you can't be screwed as in the version above. The hands in which everyone makes their bid are a bit lame though. Also, when for example there are a lot of Zauberers in the game, the sum of the tricks bid is way to high and it all comes down to luck in such games. It might look spectacular, but the strategy is lost in such cases. All in all this is not my favourite version.

secret bid until the round is over
I really dislike this version. It's almost not possible to trick your opponents when you don't know what their target is. So far for strategy. Not recommended.
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If the group you're playing with is new to trick taking card games, then just have everyone bid their hands. The Wizards and Jesters tend to distort people's ideas of what their hands can take and sometimes the bids get way off the mark. Once people have adjusted to this, then 1-by-1 bidding, aka, "screw the dealer", is the way to go. The first replier is correct when he states it's lame when everyone makes their bid on a round. Better to be one over or one under bid and have everyone fight for it. Downside to this way is the first couple of rounds. Whoever deals those hands is at a disadvantage, but one you from which you can recover.

One of my favorite games -- enjoy.
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We usually play open bidding once around using the Wizard Coins so players can see everybody's bid, placing a coin on each captured trick so players also know at a glance how many tricks each player needs. If the dealer (last bidder) is in the sole lead, he cannot make the bid come out even. We occasionally try other methods with the bidding wheel, but the above is most common by far in our group.
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Seabie wrote:
1-by-1-open-bidding, can't sum up to the number of tricks available
This is my favourite, I play it all the time. Ofcourse, sometimes you're screwed because you can't bid the amount you want to bid, but the fact that someone is going to fail for each hand maked the game tight which is good.
This.
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Not making the bid come out even is intriguing. In the deluxe version I have, it calls that the "Optional Canadian Rule"... don't ask me why. Anyway, it describes it as Todd stated, where it only applies if the last bidder (dealer) is the leader.

However, it sounds like many play it that way every round, even if you are not in the lead, correct?
 
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We prefer secret bids far and away to the other versions, but then we have the click wheels which makes it very easy to play that method.
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Part of what I like about Ninety-Nine and Wimmuln is how they use a hybrid of revealed and exposed bids.

In Ninety-Nine, you remove cards from your hand that represent your bid, placing them facedown in front of you and revealing at hand's end how many tricks you contracted for. For additional score and risk a player can expose their bid.

In Wimmuln, you also remove cards from your hand that each represent a bid. Everyone makes two bids, and then once bidding is locked in, everyone exposes one of their bids. Scoring is based on whether the player made the exposed or hidden bid (or both, if they represented the same bid amount).


When I play Wizard, I usually play Once-Around Bidding, with the Hang-the-Dealer rule in effect starting with the 6-cards hand.
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thatmarkguy wrote:
When I play Wizard, I usually play Once-Around Bidding, with the Hang-the-Dealer rule in effect starting with the 6-cards hand.

Seems like a very reasonable 'solution'.
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Once around, starting to the left of the dealer.

First round: indian poker style. Everyone sees everyone else's car, but not their own (forehead-style).

Fourth round and after, shaft the dealer.

 
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I have the deluxe version bidding wheels and normally play with simultaneous reveal. I prefer this to once around bidding for two reasons.

1) It speeds up the bidding process, as everyone bids at once instead of one at a time.

2) It removes positional advantage. Suppose you are playing screw the dealer with 5 players. Two players will deal one more hand than the other three. Is this fair? I think not.
 
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