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Subject: Disks, counters, remakes, builds... variants... GAH! Too much wood... rss

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Filipe Cunha
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How many disks, and which sizes and colors will I need to build a "FULL" version, with all the Dathkadan files for the base game, plus all variants he and Slev converted to his art-style?

I've played the game so long ago, that I don't really recall anything from it, except for the fact that you play a race, sell and smuggle goods and earn money...

AH YES! I remember that I had a blast when I played it as well
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Look 'ere:

What Files Do I Need For Remake?
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Please allow me to direct you to this thread answering this amoung many other questions:

Dathkadan Remake: A beauty to behold, but a beast to build (Or: How we did it... with pics and links)
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In total, for everything all at once (like I'm making):
50 of 0.5" discs
1325 of 0.75" discs
137 of 1" discs
16 of 1.25" discs

In practicality, you want to round those up a little to accomodate for errors, badly cut discs, etc. Overall, I'd go with:
60 of 0.5" discs
1400 of 0.75" discs
150 of 1" discs
16 of 1.25" discs
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BTW, in case anyone else is reading this who just wants to make a basic set, to make a basic set with the same components as the original game it takes:

380 discs 3/4"
41 discs 1"
15 doscs 1 1/4"

That includes some extra. If you want to leave off the original combat bits, you can reduce that down to 300 disks of the 3/4" size.

Thats a very managable number, and not "too much wood"
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Yargo wrote:
BTW, in case anyone else is reading this who just wants to make a basic set, to make a basic set with the same components as the original game it takes:

380 discs 3/4"
41 discs 1"
15 doscs 1 1/4"

That includes some extra. If you want to leave off the original combat bits, you can reduce that down to 300 disks of the 3/4" size.

Thats a very managable number, and not "too much wood"


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Actually, sustainable forestry for wood and paper is a great carbon sink!

Craft more wooden games, fight global warming!
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If you order the disks from casey wood products http://www.caseyswood.com, make sure that you pay attention to the price changes for a larger order. It would be cheaper to order 100 of the one inch disks that 70. The more you order the lower the price per disk. 100 and 500 are two of the break points.

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Slev wrote:
In total, for everything all at once (like I'm making):
50 of 0.5" discs
1325 of 0.75" discs
137 of 1" discs
16 of 1.25" discs

In practicality, you want to round those up a little to accomodate for errors, badly cut discs, etc. Overall, I'd go with:
60 of 0.5" discs
1400 of 0.75" discs
150 of 1" discs
16 of 1.25" discs


This is alot more disc than I ordered. Did I do something wrong? I read Yargo's and Wolfzell's thread about their builds and these is the number of disc I ordered from Casey's for the base game + variants:
490 7/8"
70 1"
15 1 1/4"

I went with 7/8" instead of 3/4" because of a comment Wolfzell made on his build. He said 3/4" was a perfect fit, but was worried the sticker on the disc getting scuffed so he got one size larger.

All my disc and label paper should arrive today and I hope to start this build this weekend. The only thing i'm worried about is I have no idea how to print the game board out in four 10x10 sections on 11x17 paper. Just like Yargo, i'm using an old 20x20 clue board. I plan to do all my printing at Kinkos, but i'm not sure if I need to break the jpeg of the map into 4 section in photoshop or if they can do it for me at kinkos and size it for 10x10. Any ideas?
 
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dacool561 wrote:
This is alot more disc than I ordered. Did I do something wrong?

You didn't do anything wrong. My numbers have been for the base game and the expansions made by Dathkadan. Slev added other expansions, most of them published in "The General". If you really want to add all those expansions as well, only then you will end up with the numbers above.

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I went with 7/8" instead of 3/4" because of a comment Wolfzell made on his build. He said 3/4" was a perfect fit, but was worried the sticker on the disc getting scuffed so he got one size larger.

Right. I still think it is better to do the stickers a bit smaller than the discs. If you haven't printed it, You might consider sizing up the gameboard to 24" though. Even if it will take a lot of table space, the print in 20" gets really cramped in play. Since our nylon print in 20" was so "grey" we had another laminated print on photo paper in 24" that is looking great. I just need to mount it to the Forex boards, then I will post pics.

If you can't get a printing service to do it, with 24" you can make the game board in a 3x3 tile fashion, having every tile with 8" as Andrew did here:



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Thanks for the heads up. I've never played the game but i have several people who are excited to do so. If they all love it I might have to go do another order of disc and make the other variants from Slev laugh

I ordered a good bit extra of 11x17 sticker paper so i might try to do both an 20" and 24" in a 3x3 8" as suggested. Main reason for doing a 20" was because like Yargo, i have an old 20x20 clue board i can use to put it on.
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dacool561 wrote:
Slev wrote:
In total, for everything all at once (like I'm making):
50 of 0.5" discs
1325 of 0.75" discs
137 of 1" discs
16 of 1.25" discs

In practicality, you want to round those up a little to accomodate for errors, badly cut discs, etc. Overall, I'd go with:
60 of 0.5" discs
1400 of 0.75" discs
150 of 1" discs
16 of 1.25" discs


This is alot more disc than I ordered. Did I do something wrong? I read Yargo's and Wolfzell's thread about their builds and these is the number of disc I ordered from Casey's for the base game + variants:
490 7/8"
70 1"
15 1 1/4"

I went with 7/8" instead of 3/4" because of a comment Wolfzell made on his build. He said 3/4" was a perfect fit, but was worried the sticker on the disc getting scuffed so he got one size larger.

All my disc and label paper should arrive today and I hope to start this build this weekend. The only thing i'm worried about is I have no idea how to print the game board out in four 10x10 sections on 11x17 paper. Just like Yargo, i'm using an old 20x20 clue board. I plan to do all my printing at Kinkos, but i'm not sure if I need to break the jpeg of the map into 4 section in photoshop or if they can do it for me at kinkos and size it for 10x10. Any ideas?


Just to reiterate what Wolfzell said, the 1400 is for EVERY SINGLE variant known to mankind. Including the TEN player variant (I don't know that many people who would want to play a MoV game that would probably take something like 6 hours with 10 players), and something crazy like 500 disks for non random player movement (using discs instead of dice, for if someone is a dice hater, but still wants to play MoV, which I think is unlikely), and a few others. I would suggest skipping those and any variants related to combat, and you'll be set with still a very wide variety of options.

Remember that Slev is a bit of a completionist (I also have some of that heh). Not all of these variants had been finished when I ordered my components so I'm going to have to skip some of the ones like 10 player and non random movement when I do my next copy, but I don't think I'd ever use them anyway.

Please post pics of how the 7/8" discs work out, I'm curious to know how well they fit, now I'm thinking I shoulda tried that
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Sorry for any confusion. That is the "everything and the kitchen sink" number of discs.

That said, I'm planning to include 60 dice in my set, cloth drawing bag, full colour, hardbacked rule books, etc. It'll be very wish, but that's the way I do things.
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Yargo wrote:

Just to reiterate what Wolfzell said, the 1400 is for EVERY SINGLE variant known to mankind. Including the TEN player variant (I don't know that many people who would want to play a MoV game that would probably take something like 6 hours with 10 players), and something crazy like 500 disks for non random player movement (using discs instead of dice, for if someone is a dice hater, but still wants to play MoV, which I think is unlikely), and a few others. I would suggest skipping those and any variants related to combat, and you'll be set with still a very wide variety of options.

Remember that Slev is a bit of a completionist (I also have some of that heh). Not all of these variants had been finished when I ordered my components so I'm going to have to skip some of the ones like 10 player and non random movement when I do my next copy, but I don't think I'd ever use them anyway.


Yes, that I am. Very much so.

non-random movement accommodating ten-players and second ships comes in at 600 discs.
Without the non-random movement, Aliens Amok comes in at 44 discs.
The rest comes to 181 discs then, for everything.
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Another source for Wood Disks (scroll down): http://www.bearwood.com/TOY-GAME.HTML

I ahven't compered their prices to Casey's so I'm not sure if it's a better deal or not.
 
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TheChin! wrote:
Another source for Wood Disks (scroll down): http://www.bearwood.com/TOY-GAME.HTML

I ahven't compered their prices to Casey's so I'm not sure if it's a better deal or not.


1000 of the 3/4" discs from bearwood are $39.50 before shipping. So about 4 cents each.


From caseys 1000 of them is a total of $28 without shipping, which is under 3 cents a piece.

But its always good to have additional possibly sources.
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OR you can print out the counters and glue them to heavy stock paper then punch them out. The cardboard counters work just fine with some wood for the telegates and Race markers.
 
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