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In rcbevco's RSPOTNSD thread (wow -- it was fun to write those consonant-filled nonsense words right next to one another), Mondainai posted this:

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Do you have any theories about its cause?
D-vitamin deficiency. When you're pregnant, you need to eat D-vitamin pills, especially if you're dark-skinned and/or live far from the equator and don't go out much when it's sunny.


I didn't want to derail that thread, so I've created this thread to ask this question of Mondainai:

What is the factual backup you have to support this idea?
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I'm curious about this as well.

In Austin, we have THE guy who has done more to cripple immunization in this country, arguing that measles shots cause Autism. Recently, his article has been overturned by the UK Medical community. But because he has a clinic devoted to finding alternative treatments to Autism here in Austin, this is an issue that makes it way to the local papers that I've been particularly interested in following.

(Don't want to derail Corross' derailment, but if anyone is curious, I can dig up the actual names/articles from the Austin-Statesman.)

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corross wrote:
In rcbevco's RSPOTNSD thread (wow -- it was fun to write those consonant-filled nonsense words right next to one another), Mondainai posted this:

Mondainai wrote:
Meerkat wrote:
Do you have any theories about its cause?
D-vitamin deficiency. When you're pregnant, you need to eat D-vitamin pills, especially if you're dark-skinned and/or live far from the equator and don't go out much when it's sunny.


I didn't want to derail that thread, so I've created this thread to ask this question of Mondainai:

What is the factual backup you have to support this idea?
It was an article in today's newspaper. Here's the same stuff in English: http://www.usnews.com/health/blogs/on-parenting/2009/04/24/c...
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Right now Vitamin D deficiency is very trendy. I can't address anything having to do with it and autism specifically. Vit D deficiency is being linked to/blamed on everything imaginable. Medical research has hot topics like any field.

Low Vit D has been demographically associated with multiple sclerosis (note that I didn't say cause, and here's one of many papers about this topic). This observation may explain why MS is more common in areas further away from the equator.

Here is the abstract to a review of the Vit D deficiency.

Anyhoo, a lot of folks reckon that Vitamin D deficiency is a lab observation lookin' for a disease (rickets aside).

Is autism linked to latitude? Not that I know of. Frankly, no one really knows what the hell autism is anyway.
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Darilian wrote:
In Austin, we have THE guy who has done more to cripple immunization in this country, arguing that measles shots cause Autism.


I hate that guy. We don't hear about it in the news much, but I have a few friends in ER and OB/GYN, and it's apparently a much bigger problem than one would expect.
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Mondainai wrote:
corross wrote:
In rcbevco's RSPOTNSD thread (wow -- it was fun to write those consonant-filled nonsense words right next to one another), Mondainai posted this:

Mondainai wrote:
Meerkat wrote:
Do you have any theories about its cause?
D-vitamin deficiency. When you're pregnant, you need to eat D-vitamin pills, especially if you're dark-skinned and/or live far from the equator and don't go out much when it's sunny.


I didn't want to derail that thread, so I've created this thread to ask this question of Mondainai:

What is the factual backup you have to support this idea?
It was an article in today's newspaper. Here's the same stuff in English: http://www.usnews.com/health/blogs/on-parenting/2009/04/24/c...


That article appeared to be based on, and included a link to, another one in Scientific American that I found fascinating.

It sounds like this idea is currently based mostly on the possibility that some Somalian populations in northern latitudes (specifically Sweden and Minnesota) have higher-than-average rates of autism. It strikes me as odd . . . there are many populations of people with dark skin who live in far-from-equatorial latitudes (and who do not, as far as I know, have unusually high autism rates), so the Somalian connection on its own strikes me as a fairly slim reed of evidence.
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JoshBot wrote:
Right now Vitamin D deficiency is very trendy. I can't address anything having to do with it and autism specifically. Vit D deficiency is being linked to/blamed on everything imaginable. Medical research has hot topics like any field.

Low Vit D has been demographically associated with multiple sclerosis (note that I didn't say cause, and here's one of many papers about this topic). This observation may explain why MS is more common in areas further away from the equator.

Here is the abstract to a review of the Vit D deficiency.

Anyhoo, a lot of folks reckon that Vitamin D deficiency is a lab observation lookin' for a disease (rickets aside).

Is autism linked to latitude? Not that I know of. Frankly, no one really knows what the hell autism is anyway.


Thanks, Josh! I'm far from Pubmed-savvy . . . is there a way to see more than an abstract of that review (that, uh, doesn't cost me any money)?
 
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Darilian wrote:
In Austin, we have THE guy who has done more to cripple immunization in this country, arguing that measles shots cause Autism. Recently, his article has been overturned by the UK Medical community. But because he has a clinic devoted to finding alternative treatments to Autism here in Austin, this is an issue that makes it way to the local papers that I've been particularly interested in following.

(Don't want to derail Corross' derailment, but if anyone is curious, I can dig up the actual names/articles from the Austin-Statesman.)


Oh, please do! That autism/MMR stuff bugs the heck out of me, and I'd love to know more about that guy.
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corross wrote:
In rcbevco's RSPOTNSD thread (wow -- it was fun to write those consonant-filled nonsense words right next to one another), Mondainai posted this:

Mondainai wrote:
Meerkat wrote:
Do you have any theories about its cause?
D-vitamin deficiency. When you're pregnant, you need to eat D-vitamin pills, especially if you're dark-skinned and/or live far from the equator and don't go out much when it's sunny.


I didn't want to derail that thread, so I've created this thread to ask this question of Mondainai:

What is the factual backup you have to support this idea?

A scientist (Loomis, US I think) carried research in the 70ies explaining how skin changed to adapt to latitudes, all this related to the synthesis of vitamin D.

Also , this is article does a good job in explaining all that in layman terms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color
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HavocIsHere wrote:
corross wrote:
In rcbevco's RSPOTNSD thread (wow -- it was fun to write those consonant-filled nonsense words right next to one another), Mondainai posted this:

Mondainai wrote:
Meerkat wrote:
Do you have any theories about its cause?
D-vitamin deficiency. When you're pregnant, you need to eat D-vitamin pills, especially if you're dark-skinned and/or live far from the equator and don't go out much when it's sunny.


I didn't want to derail that thread, so I've created this thread to ask this question of Mondainai:

What is the factual backup you have to support this idea?

A scientist (Loomis, US I think) carried research in the 70ies explaining how skin changed to adapt to latitudes, all this related to the synthesis of vitamin D.

Also , this is article does a good job in explaining all that in layman terms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color


Oh, sure -- I knew that skin color (which is related to the place of ancestral origin) affects the level of Vitamin D synthesis. I'd never heard before that Vitamin D levels were being linked to autism diagnoses . . . that's what I wanted factual backup about, because it was new to me and because I was initially (and continue, based on the information provided, to be) skeptical of the claim.
 
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Andrew Wakefield?


That's the guy
 
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Mondainai wrote:
corross wrote:
In rcbevco's RSPOTNSD thread (wow -- it was fun to write those consonant-filled nonsense words right next to one another), Mondainai posted this:

Mondainai wrote:
Meerkat wrote:
Do you have any theories about its cause?
D-vitamin deficiency. When you're pregnant, you need to eat D-vitamin pills, especially if you're dark-skinned and/or live far from the equator and don't go out much when it's sunny.


I didn't want to derail that thread, so I've created this thread to ask this question of Mondainai:

What is the factual backup you have to support this idea?
It was an article in today's newspaper. Here's the same stuff in English: http://www.usnews.com/health/blogs/on-parenting/2009/04/24/c...


I wouldn't call that factual, but it is an interesting theory. I would like to see more research done on it.

I wonder how Kim Stagliano and Jenny McCarthy feel about this...
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corross wrote:
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Here is the abstract to a review of the Vit D deficiency.[

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Thanks, Josh! I'm far from Pubmed-savvy . . . is there a way to see more than an abstract of that review (that, uh, doesn't cost me any money)?
They recently updated PubMed to make it look cooler, but it's now clunkier.

Some tips:

At the mid-top of the homepage, see where it says "Limits"? Click that so you can constrain your search, otherwise you will drown in data. Click "Humans" on the lower left so you don't get veterinary research. Don't bother limiting your search to English-only, as almost all abstracts will be in English. The bottom left box is maybe the most important (Text Options). This can limit you to articles with abstracts, or even better the entire text for free. However, free full text is unfortunately rare.

For the article I linked to above, PubMed indicates that it is available for free (upper right of screen), but the click-through does not seem to work.

Are you associated with a university? If so, they usually have electronic subscriptions to the major journals. Thus, if you access PubMed through their portal, you will be able to read and download many more articles.

There is always the dreary go-to-a-medical-library approach.

Finally there is the easiest approach: PM me and I'll send the PDF to your email.
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Xlyce wrote:
Mondainai wrote:
corross wrote:
In rcbevco's RSPOTNSD thread (wow -- it was fun to write those consonant-filled nonsense words right next to one another), Mondainai posted this:

Mondainai wrote:
Meerkat wrote:
Do you have any theories about its cause?
D-vitamin deficiency. When you're pregnant, you need to eat D-vitamin pills, especially if you're dark-skinned and/or live far from the equator and don't go out much when it's sunny.


I didn't want to derail that thread, so I've created this thread to ask this question of Mondainai:

What is the factual backup you have to support this idea?
It was an article in today's newspaper. Here's the same stuff in English: http://www.usnews.com/health/blogs/on-parenting/2009/04/24/c...


I wouldn't call that factual, but it is an interesting theory. I would like to see more research done on it.

I wonder how Kim Stagliano and Jenny McCarthy feel about this...


Jenny McCarthy should get a manslaughter charge for everyone that dies from a transmitted disease stemming back to an intentionally unimmunized child.
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sisteray, I take it you have seen her web page?
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Xlyce wrote:
sisteray, I take it you have seen her web page?


That's depressing...

... (even worse knowing that her son might be misdiagnosed).
 
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