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Jonathan Takagi
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Just saw this photo


Could a new version be on the way?
 
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About time too!
 
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hopefully in English?
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Assuming this is the same game as Friese's 1999 design, I wonder how much they'll change. They'll almost certainly remove the collectable aspect and give you all the cards you need. Based on the graphics, it looks like it'll be rethemed. Maybe there'll be some other changes as well.

I was pretty surprised to see this game resurface, since, despite a few very loyal fans, the original didn't make much of a splash. But looking at the base mechanics, I think it's pretty easy to see why Amigo is interested: Dominion. Friesematenten was an early version of the "build your deck during the game" concept, except that Friedemann had the players do it via an auction. But if the same kind of feel can be imparted as with Dominion, then the time may finally be right for this design.

And yeah, it'll be really nice if someone comes up with an English language version this time!
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Larry Levy wrote:
And yeah, it'll be really nice if someone comes up with an English language version this time!


??? There was an English edition last time; I have a copy...
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Good! You can translate!
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huber wrote:
??? There was an English edition last time; I have a copy...


And, even though it was 'collectable' - it was pretty easy to get all the cards, as it didn't sell that well.

Hopefully the the rules will be changed.
The game was mostly interesting because it was an obscure game from a unusual designger. Even though I have a full English copy, I cannot say I have played it more than a few times many years ago.
 
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Great Dane wrote:
The game was mostly interesting because it was an obscure game from a unusual designger. Even though I have a full English copy, I cannot say I have played it more than a few times many years ago.


Actually, I think there were sets of cards that were interesting, and others that weren't so much. I play it every few years, and enjoy it, but I can't claim it's a favorite even though (as you note) it's unusual enough to be of some interest.
 
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It certainly is time to get it onto the table again! meeple
 
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There is a thread in the Spielbox-Forum where they are talking about Friesematenten. If you speak german and want to read the original thread, here's the link.

For all others, I'll try to summarize what AMIGO-editor Christian Hildenbrand says (he seems to be working on the game together with Friedemann Friese):

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Den redaktionellen Teil beantworte ich doch gerne mal:

> zwei Fragen:

> Weiß jemand was über die Grafik - wird es die gleiche sein
> wie in der ersten Auflage?

Ja ich weiß etwas, nein wird es nicht.

> Wird die Ausgabe sortiert sein - oder muss man sich die
> Karten zusammensuchen wie im Ursprungsspiel?

Ja sortiert, nein nicht zusammensuchen.

Hier steckt auch eine wichtige Überlegung mit drin: Durch das festgelegte Deck ist die Wahrscheinlichkeit, denkbar ungünstige Kombinationen in einem Deck zu bekommen, heruntergesetzt und so "spielbarer" (wobei ich das "spielbar" dem Original nicht absprechen will).

Und dann noch eine weitere Antwort auf eine nicht gestellte Frage:
Die Karten wurden überarbeitet, Werte angepasst, Karten ausgetauscht, einige neue Karten ins Spiel gebracht, der Spielablauf eleganter gestaltet.
(Das könnte die ein oder andere Frage schon beantworten, bevor sie gestellt wird. )

Früße

Christian
Redaktion AMIGO


In this post he says, that the graphics will indeed be changed. Christian also says, that they will build sets of cards, so that you won't have to search for certain cards. The reason why they went for pre-defined sets is that they wanted to minimize the probability of infavorable combos within a deck.

Furthermore they reworked the cards, changed some values, added some new cards and tried to streamline the mechanics of the game. Christian reveals some further details about this aspect of the rework in his second post:

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Zunächst einmal hoffe ich, dass es uns zusammen mit Friedemann gelungen ist, das Spiel vom Ablauf her etwas eleganter und intuitiver zu machen und damit die Regeln auch leichter zu transportieren. Aus meinen Tests heraus kann ich nur sagen, dass ich das Gefühl habe, dass uns das gelungen ist.
Wir bauen das Spiel in 2 Stufen auf, d. h. die Spieler "da draußen" werden nicht gleich mit der ganzen Masse an Möglichkeiten im Spiel erschlagen, das Set für das in Essen erscheinende Friesematenten wurde behutsam ausgewählt und viele Male gespielt. Natürlich werden sich auch hier ein paar Kombinationen finden, die schon mal mehr Gehirnschmalz zur Bewältigung geben, aber das soll ja nun nicht das Problem sein.
Was das Spiel seinerzeit komplizierter machte, war der Umgang mit den Markern, die Aktionskarten mehrfach nutzbar machten, die Siegpunktzahlen und Fabrikerträge erhöhten. Diese Marker kommen erst in der 2. Stufe zu Nürnberg ins Spiel. (Verzeih mir Andrea, wenn ich das hier ausplaudere ...)


Since I haven't played the game, I'll try my best to distill the most important informations from the second post. With the rework, they tried to get a more elegant and intuitive game. To achieve this goal, they won't include any cards that use markers within the first set that will released in Essen 2010. But the markers won't be removed from the game, they will be introduced in the second set which will be released in Nürnberg.

I hope this post will answer some questions.

Edit: Typo
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dmn1414 wrote:
I'll try to summarize what AMIGO-editor Christian Hildenbrand says (he seems to be working on the game together with Friedemann Friese)

As an old friend of Friedemann, he probably also worked on the original...
 
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Great Dane wrote:

As an old friend of Friedemann, he probably also worked on the original...

Nope, he did not

But Christian's work on the new edition is really good, so the new Friesematenten (2010) will be a great game I am looking forward to play soon.

Henning
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Henning wrote:
But Christian's work on the new edition is really good, so the new Friesematenten (2010) will be a great game I am looking forward to play soon.

What? - Don't tell me you haven't played it yet, Henning?
 
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The revised new version is really new for me - it is difficult enough to follow all new projects...

2F-Spiele keeps me busy enough

So, I know the rules and the changes, but still wait for my first game of Friesematenten (Amigo-Version)...

Best regards,

Henning
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