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Subject: Accurate Unit Equivalents for Custom Painting your 1940 E&P rss

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Chad Coffman
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So I've started the massive task of painting my Pacific 1940 set. Because a) I love WWII and A&A, b) I have to make everything I do as authentic as possible, and c) I love self-torture; I've been researching what the closest equivalent piece of equipment for each faction would be. I thought this would be a good forum to post the list, as there's some speculations as to what the Europe 1940 unit-makes will be.

A bit of the info I got from some the older A&A rulebooks (listed under unit descriptions), but too many of those were vague or inaccurate. So using the intraweb, books, and a lot of coffee, I've composed this list... Note that some of the items are repeats as nations would have borrowed technology from each other. Also I haven't started on France - feel free to post your own ideas for their units.

I'd love to get everyone's reactions, input, links, pics of their own painted sets, and in-general comments.

Thus:



Russia

-Artillery - M1938 122 mm Howitzer
-Mech Infantry - M3-A1?
-Tank - T-34
-Fighter - Mikoyan MiG-3
-Tactical Bomber - Ilyushin IL-2 Shturmovik OR Petlyakov Pe-2 Peshka
-Strategic Bomber - Tupolev SB2
-Submarine - Srednyaya class
-Transport - R class? (from UK)
-Destroyer - Gnevny class
-Cruiser - Avrora class
-Aircraft Carrier - Illustrious class? (from UK)
-Battleship - Sovetsky Soyuz class


Germany

-Artillery - 88 mm FlaK 36
-Mech Infantry - Sonderkraftfahrzeug Sd. Kfz. 11
-Tank - PzKpfw V Panther
-Fighter - Messerschmitt BF 109G
-Tactical Bomber - Junkers JU 87 Stuka
-Strategic Bomber - Junkers JU 88
-Submarine - Type VII class (U-52)
-Transport - Westerwald class
-Destroyer - Von Roeder Class
-Cruiser - Leipzig class
-Aircraft Carrier - Graf Zeppelin class
-Battleship - Bismarck class


UK

-Artillery - Ordnance QF 6 pounder
-Mech Infantry - M3-A1?
-Tank - Cruiser MK VI Crusader
-Fighter - Supermarine Spitfire
-Tactical Bomber - Fairey Barracuda
-Strategic Bomber -Handley Page Halifax
-Submarine - T class (HMS Thunderbolt)
-Transport - R class
-Destroyer - V and W class (HMS Westcott)
-Cruiser - County class Heavy Cruiser (HMS London)
-Aircraft Carrier - Illustrious class (HMS Illustrious)
-Battleship - King George V class (1939) (HMS Prince of Wales)


Japan

-Artillery - Type 92 Battalion Gun
-Mech Infantry - Type 1 Ho-Ki
-Tank - Type 2 Ke-To
-Fighter - A6M2 Zero-Sen "Zero"
-Tactical Bomber - Aichi B7A Ryusei
-Strategic Bomber - Mitsubishi G4M "Betty" (G4M2E Model 24J)
-Submarine - I-400 class
-Transport - Hakusan Maru class
-Destroyer - Fubuki class
-Cruiser - Takao class
-Aircraft Carrier - Shinano class
-Battleship - Yamato class


USA

-Artillery - 105 mm Howitzer M2A1
-Mech Infantry - M3-A1
-Tank - Sherman M4
-Fighter - Lockheed P-38 Lightning
-Tactical Bomber - A-24 Banshee / SBD Dauntless
-Strategic Bomber -Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
-Submarine - Gato class (USS Ray)
-Transport - Liberty class
-Destroyer - Fletcher class (Johnston)
-Cruiser - Portland class
-Aircraft Carrier - Wasp class
-Battleship - Iowa class


China

-Artillery - M116 75mm Howitzer
-Fighter - Curtiss P-40 "Flying Tigers"


ANZAC

-Artillery - Ordnance QF 25-pounder Short
-Mech Infantry - M3-A1?
-Tank - Cruiser Mk I Sentinel?
-Fighter - CA-12 Boomerang
-Tactical Bomber - A-31 Vengeance
-Strategic Bomber -Halifax
-Submarine - O class
-Transport - R class?
-Destroyer - V and W class (HMAS Vendetta)
-Cruiser - Leander class Light Cruiser (HMAS Sydney)
-Aircraft Carrier - Illustrious class?
-Battleship - County class Heavy Cruiser (HMAS Australia)


Italy

-Artillery - Obice da 210/22 Modello 35
-Mech Infantry - Sonderkraftfahrzeug Sd. Kfz. 11
-Tank - Fiat M13/40
-Fighter - Aeronautica Macchi C.202 Folgore
-Tactical Bomber - Savoia-Marchetti SM.84
-Strategic Bomber - Piaggio P.108
-Submarine - Type VII class?
-Transport - Westerwald class?
-Destroyer - Soldati class
-Cruiser - Zara class
-Aircraft Carrier - Aquila class
-Battleship - Vittorio Veneto class


Oh, and here's a pic of my first completed set: China.


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Eddy del Rio
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Problems with your Chinese units: A.) the eyes aren't right, and B) the hair color should be black.

All kidding aside, it looks FANTASTIC!!
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Good job! Very good idea with the flags on the bases. That must have been a pain to paint.

Please post more pictures as you complete more units
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Your Chinese army looks very good indeed.

One error I spotted: the British BB is an "R" class vessel (Revenge, Royal Oak, Royal Sovereign, Ramillies), not a KG V.

Wish it WAS a KG V.

The British destroyer, unfortunately, is a rehashed US "Fletcher," if memory serves.
 
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Italy did have their own open top APC that was used as a command vehicle in the Balkans. That may be a good choice for their mech infantry. It's all wheeled though, not a half-track.

Since you are updating the pieces anyway...

Why bother with the 88mm as the German artillery? I don't like that the games use it as the German artillery piece. It's an AA gun. Yes, Rommel used them as artillery in the desert due to shortages but that's hardly enough to qualify.

The Fubuki class destroyer is another odd choice by AH, as production of those halted in 1933. The Akizuki class built from 42-45 may be more appropriate. That said, the Fubuki was around until the end.

I'm sure Italy had their own naval transport design as well. I take you plan to use GHQ minis?
 
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The 88 is considered one of the most flexible and feared artillery pieces of the entire war. It was not just used in Africa but in every major German front throughout the war. For those reasons its hard to pick a different artillery piece over the 88 for the Germans.

However, as a side note i was wondering if the weapons are suppose to represent what was available in 1940 because if so many of these weapons were not in main use until later in the war?
 
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I didn't say it was only used in Africa...just that it was used in Africa as artillery. There were over 10,000 of these in German service in late 1944...with anti-aircraft units, not artillery batteries. A standard german 105mm or heavy 150mm would have made a better choice.

As for your question about the other pieces. The panther was debuted in AA Europe which starts in summer 1941, 2 years before the panther came along. So I think the pieces are more intended to be universal than an accurate representation.
 
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