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While it may not exactly fit your description, I think that you might like Imperial. It contains no luck, and is WWI themed. Where it may not fit all of your criteria is that the players are not the warring countries, but instead they are war profiteers who invest in the countries. The player with controlling shares in a country determines the actions for that country, and those actions could be aggressive or defensive in nature. I suggest the game because this different flavor of war may give you the flexibility that you require.
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Is it conflict in general that she objects to or modern conflict? Do you thing something with a fantasy theme might work better?


Shogun is often used as an example for this type of game. You may also want to look at Imperial or the new retheme Imperial 2030 which features Brazil as one of the world leaders.
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Imperial or Imperial 2030 would be my suggestion. Beautiful components, easy ruleset once you understand what each space on the rondel does (this takes less than 5 minutes to fully grasp), and excellent gameplay with so many ways to win. Both games offer very different gaming experiences all around the same basic premise: you're a war profiteer. The only real downside is that there is absolutely NO luck involved, so if you lose, it's because you personally sucked. None of this, 'the dice/cards were against me'.
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Here's a geeklist I made featuring the games you are looking for.
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Senji is awsome and seems to fit the criteria.
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I have to ask - are you sure your fiance would like "partial conflict" games? Are you trying to have it both ways - a war-themed game without direct conflict?

But Maybe I'm thinking of my conflict-hating wife. You're fiance may obviously be different.

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Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery is a very good game. It has the potential for war actions, but you can be very successful without ever using them.
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I suggest giving Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery a try. There is direct conflict in the sense of competing for limited spaces. War is not necessary but is an option. Great game!
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The game for you is: Maria.
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Tamburlain wrote:
The game for you is: Maria.


I have no doubt it's a great game (judging by Friedrich), but it is a wargame, and definitely not what the O.P. is requesting.
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this is not exactly war themed game, but it have direct conflict.
Tigris & Euphrates
it have theme , but essentially it's euro-war-abstract,
and it's very good as that, thought 4 is limit and best spot.
Imperial is really war themed eurogame, can be played with up to 6.

Both are not easy games, but T&E is more tense IMHO.

also - haven't played, but I have heard Reef Encounter is very good as kind of euro-war-abstract, allready someone mentioned here. But as i understand it isn't war themed, less that T&E is.
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In the groups I frequent, Wallenstein (first edition)/Shogun, Struggle of Empires/Conquest of the Empire, Imperial, and Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization are the highest regarded Euro wargames, but

- nearly all of them are best with at least 3-5 players,
- most all of them except IMPERIAL have strong random elements, and
- Struggle of Empires/Conquest of the Empire are pretty aggressive as well.

In general, you'll have a hard time avoiding randomness in wargames just because martial conflict has so much randomness in it.

My best recommendation for conflict based Euros where direct conflict is truly optional is the unfortunately long out of print Serenissima (first edition) -it's mostly about merchantry/trading/buying and shiping goods game where players can attack each others cities for increased income and each others' ships to steal goods and/or the ships themselves, but one can easily dominate by focusing on strong defense and fast, clever trading. In a typical game, players are fairly pacifistic for most of the game and have one or two turns near the end of Sheer Ruthless Aggression, but like I said, if you're careful you can just trade profitably and build up defense so that no one dares attack you.
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When I suggested Imperial above, and several people echoed the suggestion, it was neat to also see mention of Imperial 2030 which I have not played. I think that this suggestion is really cool since Brazil is one of the six powers in the game! From what I read, the changes between the games are small. I like the original, so I just wanted to support the suggestion of Imperial 2030 by others here.
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Wildlife and Wallenstein come to mind.
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As with others, I would definitely have to recommend both Imperial and Tigris & Euphrates.

T&E doesn't really look like a war game, at first, but it's definitely a very contact-heavy game. It can be very abstract and fiddly for newcomers to the genre, though, its scoring mechanism (my favorite!) comes across as very unusual at first, and its learning curve can definitely throw people off.

On the other hand, the thing to be aware of with Imperial is that it only looks like a war game. War-themed, as you said. But anyone who actually plays it like a war game and gets emotionally-invested in "their" country will lose badly. Sounds like the ideal game to teach your war-enthusiast friends a lesson!
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Greetings-

I have a great deal of respect for Tigris & Euphrates, and the people who play it, but the OP was asking about games similar to Risk. T&E is a bit of a jump, isn't it?

IMO, the stand-out recommendations are Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery and Antike, plus Serenissima (first edition) (but it's out of print). These all involve some battles, and players have to be aggressive sometimes, but they allow relatively peaceful strategies to succeed in the right circumstances.

Others to consider:
Shogun (or Wallenstein (first edition)), Small World, Twilight Imperium (Third Edition), Endeavor and Senji.



Imperial (or Imperial 2030) is brilliant, but some new players find it difficult. Although the theme and presentation are wargame-like, it is really a stock control game. A great game, but it does not really fit as well as those above.
Similarly, Mare Nostrum, Liberté (OOP), La Città, Struggle of Empires, Perikles and Reef Encounter are all good (great!) games. They might be either too different (La Citta, Reef Encounter) or a challenge for new players (SoE, Perikles).


Your mileage may vary, but I would go with Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery.

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Mare Nostrum w/ Mare Nostrum: Mythology Expansion

also Rise of Empires is a bit souless=euro but has some fighting and area control as well as economic engine building in a nice two hour time frame.

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jmagi wrote:

Apologies - I meant to include this! With the expansion this is well-worth a look.

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kisnney wrote:
Thanks everyone =)

When I have the time, I'll read all the recommendations.

But... things have changed, actually. A (new-gamer) friend of ours told us that he wants to buy a couple of games. These are great news, since we're quite short of money =). He's thinking about buying http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/11202/the-first-world....

I want to talk to him about this... And your suggestions will help a lot =). What do you think about the game above, by the way?


The type of game you requested in your OP are what some people here call Waros or Weuros. Raindog started a really good list of such games here: Waros/Weuros List
Of the games on his list, I can say from play experience that Antike, A Game of Thrones and Warrior Knights are all excellent games that play well with a group.

If your friends goal is to purchase a WWI wargame that can be played with more than 2 players, The First World War isn't a bad choice. One thing it has going for it IMO, is it's designed by Ted Raicer who's one of the top designers for that theatre of war. It also isn't too difficult so it'd probably be suitable for gamers transitioning from Euros. Your friend should probably plan on eventually moving up from that game to The Great War in Europe - Deluxe Edition. It's also designed by Ted Raicer, but IMO it's a better game, albeit it's more difficult. If 2 player only WWI games are OK, I'd recommend he look no further than Paths of Glory Which IMO is Ted Raicer's best game and an outstanding WWI wargame in every regard.
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2 de Mayo meets all your requirements, except item 3. It's a cat-and-mouse game, so conflict is unavoidable.
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boing123 wrote:
2 de Mayo meets all your requirements, except item 3. It's a cat-and-mouse game, so conflict is unavoidable.


This is a good game, however it is only 2 player.
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Ozludo wrote:

but the OP was asking about games similar to Risk. T&E is a bit of a jump, isn't it?


Actually, the OP never stated anything of the kind. Rather, that their gaming "friends have played Risk (which we hate) since childhood," and that they would "like a "partial direct conflict" game."

Given these two things, A Risk-like game is exactly what they do NOT want. At any rate, Risk could never be described as a "partial direct conflict" game, however this described T&E perfectly. I have previously outlined how T&E nicely reflects many wargame concepts, and would highly recommend it to the group. I would add that AoEIII and Imperial are also good choices, the latter as least having some aspects of direct conflict (at least the way we played it).
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kisnney wrote:
native_son wrote:
While it may not exactly fit your description, I think that you might like Imperial. It contains no luck, and is WWI themed. Where it may not fit all of your criteria is that the players are not the warring countries, but instead they are war profiteers who invest in the countries. The player with controlling shares in a country determines the actions for that country, and those actions could be aggressive or defensive in nature. I suggest the game because this different flavor of war may give you the flexibility that you require.


This looks like a very good game. I'll keep that in mind.


There is a modern day retheme of the game that may be more available, it is a current Essen release. Imperial 2030 also features Brazil as 1 of the world powers so that may go over well with your locally group.

You definitely could do worse than these games.
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