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So speaking personally, come autumn that's [url] http://www.civilization5.com/[/url] me not playing any boardgames till Christmas comes round again.

The Civ games in general are, in many ways, the Platonic ideal of the boardgame for me (albeit on a computer).


It was buying the original Civ boardgame, because of Civ 2, that really got me into boardgaming. I always loved boardgames, but had never been exposed to anything that wasn't a 'standard'.

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Oh no, not again. surprise

Goodbye evening, hello sun coming over the horizon.
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BlackSpy wrote:
The Civ games in general are, in many ways, the Platonic ideal of the boardgame for me (albeit on a computer).


It's like a magical boardgame all-nighter with people who never need to shower...
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I hope Civ 5 is closer to Civ 3. Civ 4 was awful.
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They finally switched to hexagons.
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Hexes!!!!!!
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hqbwk wrote:
I hope Civ 5 is closer to Civ 3. Civ 4 was awful.


i concur. the combination of complexity and automation in civ 4 meant you didn't get to grips with the detailed game mechanics. That's what made it feel much further removed from its board game roots for me, and greatly lessened the enjoyment.

hopefully civ 5 won't just add a boatload MORE complexity, and will actually streamline instead. re-introduce the micro-management, please!
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Early screenshots:

http://www.examiner.com/x-28759-Atlanta-Video-Game-News-Exam...
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bit worrying that the first two improvements mentioned in that article are 'fully animated leaders' and 'realistic landscapes'! What about the actual game, huh?

Have to admit hexes sounds good tho - a real re-visit of the games fundamentals rather than just more chrome.
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hqbwk wrote:
I hope Civ 5 is closer to Civ 3. Civ 4 was awful.

Actually I found that people who played Civ 1 and Civ 2 do not like Civ 3 but like Civ 4. And those who played only Civ 3 do not like Civ 4.
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jdludlow wrote:
They finally switched to hexagons.

Note that Heroes of Might and Magic V switched from hexagons to squares.. Which I didn't like very much, except that it added possibility for single units to take 2x2 squares (while 2x1 before was maximum with hexagons).
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hqbwk wrote:
I hope Civ 5 is closer to Civ 3. Civ 4 was awful.


It took me a few seconds to realize that this wasn't a joke. Last night at CABS we were discussing how we hoped that Civ did not continue its parallel with Star Trek movies.
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The screen shots look a little too real. Hopefully the game lacks a "voodoo doll" interface that causes changes to Google Earth(TM).
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Starcraft II and Civ V in the same year? Hello good times, so long sleep!
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Snooze_uk wrote:
re-introduce the micro-management, please!


As one that did not enjoy the micro-management, I thoroughly enjoyed Civ 4. However, I thought the micro management was there if you wanted it.

They did get rid of the need for some micro-management, like letting excess research roll over to the next tech, which I thought was a good change.

Either way, they should try to keep both camps happy. Make it there for those that want it, allow those that don't care to automate.
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weidox wrote:
hqbwk wrote:
I hope Civ 5 is closer to Civ 3. Civ 4 was awful.

Actually I found that people who played Civ 1 and Civ 2 do not like Civ 3 but like Civ 4. And those who played only Civ 3 do not like Civ 4.


Count me amongst the former. I liked Civ 1, loved Civ 2, was rather "meh" on Civ 3, and fell in love again with Civ 4. I not only don't mind the lack of micromanagement (which, by the way, is still there if you want it), but rather adore the sense of "the big picture" without the need to play for 12-16 hours straight to finish a game.
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Snooze_uk wrote:
bit worrying that the first two improvements mentioned in that article are 'fully animated leaders' and 'realistic landscapes'! What about the actual game, huh?

Have to admit hexes sounds good tho - a real re-visit of the games fundamentals rather than just more chrome.


Huh?

"Civilization 5 is intended to renew the "just one more turn" series with a brand new game engine that features a new combat engine that promises massive battles and improved diplomacy that requires deeper engagement with other leaders.

Perhaps the most noticeable change with Civilization V is the introduction of hexagonal tiles that will allow "for deeper strategy, more realistic gameplay and stunning organic landscapes for players to explore as they expand their empire.""

That was right off the bat.
 
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Count me amongst the Civ IV fans. I liked Civ III, but I *loved* Civ IV. In fact, I'm rather distressed to hear that Civ V is imminent, because I've played Civ IV less than half a dozen times and haven't even broached the expansions yet.

Clearly, I need to cut back on the Dominion and play me some Civ....
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Kobold Curry Chef wrote:
Count me amongst the Civ IV fans. I liked Civ III, but I *loved* Civ IV. In fact, I'm rather distressed to hear that Civ V is imminent, because I've played Civ IV less than half a dozen times and haven't even broached the expansions yet.

Clearly, I need to cut back on the Dominion and play me some Civ....


Good God man!

Beyond the Sword is Civ IV in excelsis.

Buy it now!
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BlackSpy wrote:
Kobold Curry Chef wrote:
Count me amongst the Civ IV fans. I liked Civ III, but I *loved* Civ IV. In fact, I'm rather distressed to hear that Civ V is imminent, because I've played Civ IV less than half a dozen times and haven't even broached the expansions yet.

Clearly, I need to cut back on the Dominion and play me some Civ....


Good God man!

Beyond the Sword is Civ IV in excelsis.

Buy it now!


Even worse -- I own that expansion, but I haven't installed it yet. I keep getting distracted by boardgames. blush
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I just want to know when they'll be making Alpha Centauri 2.
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I loved Civ 1 and 2, but just couldn't get into 3. There was a lot imbalance I thought in 3 and often you had the computers holding hands with their "stacks of death" marching toward your cities. I did enjoy 4, but felt it too was imperfect. The diplomacy still lacked and foreign nations would often conveniently forget all you had dome for them in the past to snuff you out when you denied them once. I am looking forward quite a bit to 5, but will wait to buy until I have read some of the reviews and seen the game in action.

The thing that has me most excited is that it sounds like playing over the web will be greatly enhanced. This will be great for my friends who live all over the nation now (and Canada!) to play with each other and try to recapture our younger years.
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Re: Civ III, IV, and V
Civ, Civ III, IV, V? Nonsense. It's Advanced Civ for me!

But, when I don't have 4 or 5 friends with 18 hours to spare, I'd have to agree with an above commenter: I loved Civ III... until I played Civ IV! And I'm quite looking forward to picking up Civ V, eventually.

One very nice thing about Civ III, though, is that it's easy to pick up "Civ III Complete" for around $4.99 + s/h. Makes it easier to spread the multiplayer fun. ninja

Edit: And I'll second the call for Alpha Centauri 2!
 
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Thanks for posting this, probably wouldnt have stumbled on it otherwise.

Definately concur with the sentiment that part 4 is much better than part 3, if you have played 1 and 2.

The problem is, part 3 just feels so unfinished when compared with part 4.


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This is great news, but.. When 4 came out, I was still tinkering with 3, and now that 5 is on the way, I'm not even close to calling it 'done' with 4. *sigh*

From what I can tell of the series, it's steadily improved, and with both expansions, 4 is just about perfect. I don't know of any design change from 3>4 that I thought was a step back, so, I can't imagine anyone preferring 3.. Anyway, high hopes for the sequel!

ed. oh, and I think they even have a shirt for that now

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