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And so we reach the last week of this horribly conceived experiment.
Going with one of jeffyjeff's suggestions from last week, and reusing the request list. If you got what you wanted delete it.

Important Times and Dates:
Monday, February 22, 2010 1000 CST/1600 GMT : Item Submission Opens
Saturday, February 27, 2010 1000 CST/1600 GMT : Item Submission Closes/Want Submission Opens
Monday, March 1, 2010 1000 CST/1600 GMT : Want Submission Closes/Results Posted

Unusual Rules:
1. List Anything, Everything. Except cash.
2. Ship however you feel like.

Quick Links:
Trade List: The Man, The Myth, The Moustache Math Trade - Part Omega - The Machismo
Request List: The Man, The Myth, The Moustache Math Trade - Request List
Discussion Thread: The Man, The Myth, The Moustache Math Trade - Part Omega - The Machismo - Discussion Thread

Full Rules:
1) Use of OLWLG is required.

2) List anything you'd like, except cash. NO GG or GC arbitrage.

3) Non-game entries must be added as "Outside the Scope of BGG" (game id 23953), "Miscellaneous Game Accessory" (game id 5985) or "Miscellaneous Game Merchandise" (game id 22104) and must include the +altname+ brief description -altname- format in the description of your item.

If you are offering an expansion for which there is no entry in BGG (for instance expansion cards handed out at Essen) and NOT the base game, please use "Miscellaneous Game Accessory" to help avoid confusion.

4) You are expected to describe, as accurately as is reasonably possible, the condition (components and box), language and edition of your item in the description. Do not just say, "as pictured."

For games not brand new (in shrink) you must inventory the game's components and list anything missing. Do not assume it's complete. Also, remember that just because something is "new in shrink" that doesn't mean that you shouldn't disclose any dings. It might not matter to you, but it matters to some people.

If the game and/or expansion you are listing is a "Print & Play" make that clear in the description (and I recommend you give specifics what it was printed on, mounted on, etc).

If you are listing an expansion if you reference the base game in the description be clear one way or the other if you are including the base game or not. Do not include a link to the base game unless you are including it as this looks, in the OLWLG, as if you are.

5) Sweeteners are to be listed using the GAMEID formatting (prefered, example Hansa). If you don't use this format your sweeteners won't show up in the OLWLG properly.

6) If you've been reported as a bad trader, you cannot participate. If you try to, I will remove your entries. If you see someone posting entries who is a bad trader, please let me know.

7) Please do NOT include links to other games in your entry unless you are actually including them as a sweetener, as this is displayed in a misleading manner by the OLWLG.

8) Ship however you'd like. If you don't specify shipping restrictions, it's assumed worldwide on your dime. If you only give a geographical region it's assumed to be on your dime. Please specify where you are shipping from if you are not covering all shipping.

9) Finally - you are expected to periodically check during the item submission period, and preferably during the want list submission period, to see if anyone has commented on your entries. People often ask questions of items - most commonly because you have forgotten to state a version, language or shipping policy - and you should check in to address such questions in a timely manner should they arise, so that everyone then has the correct information available.

This is a very easy thing to do. Just click on "My Geek", then "Contributions" and finally on "GeekList Items". You will then be able to see your items without having to find them in the trade GeekList along with any comments that people have made. You will only need to go back to the trade GeekList to make adjustments or answer questions if there were any.

Trade Settings:
TradeMaximizer 1.4 with duplicate protection. SEED=1342130, ITERATIONS=500, METRIC=USERS-TRADING

Good Luck Trading
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Is there a handy thread that explains "GG and GC arbitrage"?
 
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BugLaden wrote:
Is there a handy thread that explains "GG and GC arbitrage"?


Maybe?

The short of it is trading for the same thing. I trade 150 GG away for 200 GG inbound. That's a no-no.
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Start adding items.
 
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georgeofjungle3 wrote:
Going with one of jeffyjeff's suggestions from last week, and reusing the request list. If you got what you wanted delete it.

I would actually recommend instead of folks deleting off the request list to instead simply comment on the item that they got what they wanted....

* most folks won't add to the request list the same game already on the request list, often just giving a thumbs (up) on the items they also want to see

* it would also be interesting to go through the request list after and seeing how many folks got exactly what they were requesting (bonus folks who when they comment on their request list items to list what they traded away to get it)

edit: ps: are the rules different at all in this MT than from the last one (part 3)?
 
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JeffyJeff wrote:

edit: ps: are the rules different at all in this MT than from the last one (part 3)?


Yes, it's pretty much an anything goes this time around.
 
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georgeofjungle3 wrote:
JeffyJeff wrote:

edit: ps: are the rules different at all in this MT than from the last one (part 3)?
Yes, it's pretty much an anything goes this time around.

I forget already, what didn't go last time? I thought GG and GC were already allowed last time.

and fwiw folks, it's in the OLWLG so you can add left over items from the last MT into this one using the OLWLG add tool. Still on my list to add support for copying items directly from one MT to another w/out creating a new geeklist item (you wouldn't be able to edit them or add comments that will be seen as the geeklist those items are on won't be resynced to pick up such changes).
 
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OLWLG is up.

EDIT: Ack, jeff beat me to it.
 
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JeffyJeff wrote:

I forget already, what didn't go last time? I thought GG and GC were already allowed last time.


Non board game or rpg related items weren't allowed. This time it's wide open. Have an extra kitchen sink lying around? Go for it, but i'm not adding it to my wants unless you cover shipping.
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georgeofjungle3 wrote:
JeffyJeff wrote:

I forget already, what didn't go last time? I thought GG and GC were already allowed last time.


Non board game or rpg related items weren't allowed. This time it's wide open. Have an extra kitchen sink lying around? Go for it, but i'm not adding it to my wants unless you cover shipping.


Hm...I wonder...would people be interested in Vancouver 2010 Olympic stuff? Mascot plushies, trading pins, McD's Toys... I don't know, just throwing it out there
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fwiw looks already like folks haven't read the basic rules about describing (in words) their items
 
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Edited to exclude cash.
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JeffyJeff wrote:
fwiw looks already like folks haven't read the basic rules about describing (in words) their items :(


Such is always the struggle. The constant vigilance on what's being put up for trade is the most taxing part of moderating.
 
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georgeofjungle3 wrote:
Edited to exclude cash.

I agree, but did notice something interesting in either the Europe MT or the UK (or London) MT... I saw cash offerings via paypal!
 
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Jeff, I entered Vegas Showdown twice by accident. What's the protocol for handling again? I don't delete but enter Altname or Outside the scope?
 
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Jeff, I entered Vegas Showdown twice by accident. What's the protocol for handling again? I don't delete but enter Altname or Outside the scope?


Altname and outside the scope.
 
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georgeofjungle3 wrote:
enzo622 wrote:
Jeff, I entered Vegas Showdown twice by accident. What's the protocol for handling again? I don't delete but enter Altname or Outside the scope?


Altname and outside the scope.

Though it's early enough you could actually just delete it... as long is it hasn't made it on anyone's want lists already it won't be a problem for the OLWLG. Note that the OLWLG actually detects items deleted (there were deleted between resyncs)... see the stats page for the MT... there were actually 4 deleted from last week's MT ...

http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/viewlist.cgi?listid=52086&...
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JeffyJeff wrote:
georgeofjungle3 wrote:
enzo622 wrote:
Jeff, I entered Vegas Showdown twice by accident. What's the protocol for handling again? I don't delete but enter Altname or Outside the scope?


Altname and outside the scope.

Though it's early enough you could actually just delete it... as long is it hasn't made it on anyone's want lists already it won't be a problem for the OLWLG. Note that the OLWLG actually detects items deleted (there were deleted between resyncs)... see the stats page for the MT... there were actually 4 deleted from last week's MT :)...

http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/viewlist.cgi?listid=52086&...


I'm pretty sure i'm some of those deletes. I listed some crapp, decided i was going to bundle it, and deleted them. I tried to get in before anyone else was on the list, but a couple snuck in. For maximum awesomeness, i later decided to list them as is anyways.
 
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What are the monetary requirements for this trade? Part B we were supposed to cover all shipping. Part C we were supposed to cover the first $15.
 
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Hmmmm, I wonder if anybody would be interested in:

electric guitar pedals and accessories? I have cheapos and expensivos!

telescope eyepieces and accessories? (high quality ones)

vintage and recent ukulele music books and scores?

vintage and recent accordion music books and scores?
 
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I believe it's anything goes. It's up to the person updating their want lists to know what they're getting into
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2) List anything you'd like, except cash. NO GG or GC arbitrage.


So, this is my third or fourth math trade and each copied the text from above.

What's wrong with cash now?
How is it any different than a Gift Certificate?

 
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MrScaryMuffin wrote:
I believe it's anything goes. It's up to the person updating their want lists to know what they're getting into

just to also be clear this does not mean "buyer beware"... if you are not covering the full shipping your listing should indicate how much *and* where you are shipping from. also handy info would be if it fits in a flat rate usps priority box or not as that would within the usa indicate an upper limit on the cost to ship.
 
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2) List anything you'd like, except cash. NO GG or GC arbitrage.
So, this is my third or fourth math trade and each copied the text from above.

What's wrong with cash now?
How is it any different than a Gift Certificate?

now? it's never been allowed in a usa based math trade (except one failed MT attempt that kayvon ran years ago).

and anyone who got a gift cert to a clothing store when they were a kid should know the difference between a gift cert and cash been discussed to death, not sure if there's a dedicated thread to discussing it though (these things tend to get burried in MT specific threads )
 
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JeffyJeff wrote:
MrScaryMuffin wrote:
I believe it's anything goes. It's up to the person updating their want lists to know what they're getting into

just to also be clear this does not mean "buyer beware"... if you are not covering the full shipping your listing should indicate how much *and* where you are shipping from. also handy info would be if it fits in a flat rate usps priority box or not as that would within the usa indicate an upper limit on the cost to ship.


Aye, and also if someone doesn't not specifically state their shipping restrictions, then the rules states that they must ship anywhere for free.
 
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