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John Cobb
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I can get Attack! and the original Expansion at a pretty good deal. Is the Deluxe Expansion vastly superior to the original? Would it be worth passing up a good deal and spending more to get the Deluxe Expansion?
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I have the base game and the original expansion. I read the rules for the deluxe edition, and decided I wasn't going for it. They simply didn't make the changes I would have made to the rules. Naval dice seems like a nice idea though, so I'm considering making my own from some blank dice I got from a hobby store.

I realize it's a very subjective assessment, but I can't remember which specific details I didn't like in the deluxe edition. I recommend you read the rules and make your own decision based on that.
 
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I disagree. Deluxe is totally worth it. Rules are much more consistent and streamlined. Far less player downtime and game ends when onw player is eliminated, so no player elimination problem. Overall, a much better game.
 
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bill_andel wrote:
I disagree. Deluxe is totally worth it. Rules are much more consistent and streamlined. Far less player downtime and game ends when onw player is eliminated, so no player elimination problem. Overall, a much better game.

Maybe you are right. I just wasn't impressed with what I read.

The last couple of times we played Attack!, we used the roundel variant to reduce downtime. Inspired by games like Antike.



Replace the variuos action types with Attack! actions. Use oil to skip steps.

Details: Attack Action Control.JPG

Edit: This was meant as an answer to the down-time issue.
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Perhaps it is no longer offered, but I purchased an upgrade kit for the Attack! Deluxe Expansion which gives you the basics, like new rules, money and cards, a sheet of cardboard counters and the second mapboard re-printed, but not the minis or dice. This was a bit cheaper than the full-blown Deluxe Expansion.

I already owned the original game and expansion, so did not need to buy the complete deluxe version of the new expansion. If you can still get the upgreade kit, then I recommend going with your good deal and the upgrade kit.
 
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I have just received Attack! Deluxe (A!D) & am playing through it w/ my group. What I have found is yes, there is a big difference. I would not say that it is vastly superior to the original Expansion (A!E), but that they are two different games altogether and equally good.

My group has been playing A!E almost every other week for the last 1.5 yrs (w/ much modification from the original rules). Needless to say, we adore it: it is such a beautifully dynamic game & runs like a combination of A&A, poker & Go. That said, the aggressive "Attack!" component is just one sub-game in the range of strategic options (and not always the situational best).

In contrast, the focus of A!D is this aggressive warfare (as was the designers' intention), yet it maintains the dynamic grace of A!E. The vagaries of the A!E ruleset which led to significant revisions for us (and a few headaches along the way) have all been ironed out, and the game (as noted above) plays in a streamlined and efficient manner. One friend refers to A!D as 'Socialist Attack!', as differences between players are meted out, yielding a more 'equal' game. In A!E, for example, one player could vastly pull ahead, forcing cooperation between other players in order to have a chance at winning the game; this is not the case in our experience of A!D.

We're in the process of a synthesis (Hegelian?) to maintain some of the aspects we love in A!E, which we'll refer to as "Attack! Royale" ...

Hope this helps!

Edit: My advice would be to go ahead & get the original & Expansion together at the great deal (especially since A!E is out of print), and then lay down the $25 @ the Eagle Games website for A!D upgrade, which imho is totally worth it ...
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