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I already own SoS, and I am thinking of buying ATB. There was a lot of talk in January/February about Academy releasing the new counters with Price of Poland, or releasing the updated counters as a separate purchase, or re-releasing the game with the new-style counters and new-style cards. Does anyone know what the final decision is on this matter?
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Same for me, i own SoS, want to buy AtB and wait for news about the updated counters, too.
 
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Same here to ! Id buy the game but with updated counters.
 
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I'm definitely interested in purchasing updated counters.
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me too.
 
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Is it still planned to bundle them with the Poland 1939 expansion? (I hope so.)
 
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brauerle wrote:
Is it still planned to bundle them with the Poland 1939 expansion? (I hope so.)

Me too.
 
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Me too. I'm planning on picking up the Poland expansion, and if the updated counters are there, then I'll pick up ATB.

Chris
 
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If, as has been previously stated, this expansion will use both AtB and SoS, the updated counters will be needed, somehow. Including them in this game would make sense right now - but later, if & when AtB is rereleased with updated rules & counters, it would be an expensive extra...

But without those counters, this expansion becomes much less viable, half of it being based on outdated components!
 
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I guess I just have to ask... What's the difference between the ATB and the SOS counters? Other than airplanes?

keep the answer "light" without too much detail as I just got the ATB and haven't even played one game yet, and only perused the first section of the ATB rules.

Warning: Too much info may cause confusion.

Thanks!

Jim
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JimM wrote:
I guess I just have to ask... What's the difference between the ATB and the SOS counters? Other than airplanes?

keep the answer "light" without too much detail as I just got the ATB and haven't even played one game yet, and only perused the first section of the ATB rules.

Warning: Too much info may cause confusion.

Thanks!

Jim


SoS counters always have both a red and a blue attack value, and you always use matching colours when attacking (blue attack vs blue defense, red attack vs red defense), where AtB counters sometimes only have one or the other, and if the colours don't match, you divide the attack value in half.
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Wow... that's all? I can do that math in my head! I did read that rule in AtB about dividing the numbers in half, and didn't think much of it. While reading this post just now, I had a look at the counters posted in the SoS pictures, and I seen the two colors for attacking. I also noticed that SoS Rifles counters may have a 6 range rather than a 5. That isn't a big deal to me either. HOWEVER; that being said, "if" the Polish expansion does have new counters to upgrade the AtB game, that would be a nice bonus!

Thanks for the answer!thumbsup

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JimM wrote:
Wow... that's all? I can do that math in my head!


It's true - the two counter types are quite compatible with each other; they simply involve knowing an extra rule. While it would be amazing if new AtB counters are included in the expansion (and last I had heard, they would be), if they aren't, the expansion will still be quite compatible with AtB.
 
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Another change is, that the SoS counters already mark if a unit is bad in close combat. Another thing that is easily remembered in AtB and wether a vehicle has a turret.

Basically it boils down to just spelling a few things out on the counter that you were just remembering beforehand.

The values of the counters like ranges are not changing, as the changes from AtB to SoS are historic changes that reflect the development in gear and tactics changing the battle field effectiveness of the units.
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The values of the counters like ranges are not changing, as the changes from AtB to SoS are historic changes that reflect the development in gear and tactics changing the battle field effectiveness of the units.


Beside the soviet long range SMGs. This obvious error could also be corrected.

 
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That is not actually an error. Uwe explained the rationale behind that at some point.

Basically it is not actually a squad purely armed with SMGs but instead one of the early squads that was assigned a few SMGs. Those tended to be the elite squads, hence the better values compared to regular rifles. I don't remember the specific number, but I think it was like 3 SMGs in a 10 man squad.

Anyway, you can look for the thread with Uwe's more complete and better explanation.
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chrisdk wrote:
Anyway, you can look for the thread with Uwe's more complete and better explanation.

Ok, thanks. For other readers of this thread:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/3102708#3102708

I had changed my AtB counters for the Soviet SMGs after the former ZunTzu changes, but after that I missed the named thread with Uwe's comment that the original values are still ok.

(Nevertheless, all firefights work also with my changed SMG counters very well)

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