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Subject: No Polish and Czechoslovakian Armies? rss

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Tomasz Horozaniecki
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I can't see any Polish and Czechoslovakian divisions on scans. Why? Polish army had 15 and Czechoslovakians about 12 divisions. Several of them were prepared to attack in the first wave.
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1.3 The Orders of Battle

The orders of battle for both sides are based on open-source documents that have become available since the parent game was first published. On the NATO side the Danes and Italians are gone, while everyone else's armies are, we feel, more fully and accurately represented.

The Danes have been left out simply because it's hard to believe they'd have sent their two best divisions to defend some German heath country while their own homeland was no doubt undergoing Soviet amphibious and air assault. The Italians are out because a war of this type, with such a surprise start, would've no doubt plunged them into a paralyzing political crisis that would have precluded action from Rome during the period being gamed.

Similarly, on the Soviet side most of the Warsaw Pact subject nations' armed forces have been left at home. The Czechoslovakians simply couldn't have been trusted this soon after the 1968 invasion, and the other Pact governments — again, because of the war's surprise start — would've probably looked for ways to remain unengaged, at least until a clear victor could be seen. We can imagine delays in mobilization, some real and others manufactured, due to all available transport being tied up in the Red Army invasion effort, etc. Only the East Germans, then, whose units were in a sense manacled to the Russians of G-SoF-G, are ready to fight. At the same time, there are no chances of any East European rebellions or pro-NATO Chinese intervention in Asia during the gamed period. Again, all are waiting to see who wins this crucial opening round before committing themselves to any lost cause.


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Przemysław Mantay
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Which is quite dubious and based upon nothing certain, as until the end of Warsaw Pact both Czechoslovak and Polish armies were intended to take part in any WarPact operation against the NATO - and if the WarPact leadership decided "to go offensively" then it MUST have been assured that not only the GDR but also Poland and Czechoslovakia would participate.
Besides there were at least 8 Polish and 8 Czechoslovakian divisions ready to go from the start of the war, plus airborne and naval landing units available too (those against Denmark, which as a country is excluded from game).
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Chris Hansen
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It could also be that in addition to his reasoning, one may want to also consider the format the game was published in, and all things considered, there may not have been enough room on the single countersheet that they were allowed for a magazine game. Both Polish and Czechoslovakian forces were present in the original game this was based on, NATO: Operational Combat in Europe in the 1970's, so at least the designer of that game, James Dunnigan, felt that they would have been involved at least in the mid-70's which was even closer to the events of 1968. Then again, he also had two countersheets to work with.
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