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This question is at least partly inspired by MrBeanKC's recently updated geeklist, CDGs: A comprehensive list. I've recently tried Here I Stand after playing Twilight Struggle, so I'm gradually working my way up the CDG complexity scale. (I'm hoping to tackle Clash of Monarchs, Pursuit of Glory, and Stalin's War soon.)

When I played Here I Stand we started with four players but lost one midstream so I took over the Ottomans. I actually think the game improved with three (no fault to the Ottoman player). All three players then had plenty to do. Anyway, that experience got me wondering if there are any CDG's that play particularly well with three.

At three they would have to compete with Maria for playing time, which although not a CDG is about the same weight and time commitment. But it would be nice to have a second game at that player count.
 
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greyareabeyond wrote:
This question is at least partly inspired by MrBeanKC's recently updated geeklist, CDGs: A comprehensive list. I've recently tried Here I Stand after playing Twilight Struggle, so I'm gradually working my way up the CDG complexity scale. (I'm hoping to tackle Clash of Monarchs, Pursuit of Glory, and Stalin's War soon.)

When I played Here I Stand we started with four players but lost one midstream so I took over the Ottomans. I actually think the game improved with three (no fault to the Ottoman player). All three players then had plenty to do. Anyway, that experience got me wondering if there are any CDG's that play particularly well with three.

At three they would have to compete with Maria for playing time, which although not a CDG is about the same weight and time commitment. But it would be nice to have a second game at that player count.


Sturm Europa! will be out before the end of the year and going to be a great 3-player CDG. Of course I'm a bit biased...
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I think Napoleonic Wars plays best with three.

I have played Sword of Rome with 3 and it works fine, but not its sweet spot.
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The Napoleonic Wars (Second Edition) is OK with 3 - but best with 5 - with 3, the dynamic of Open Diplomacy and a potential for a divided coalition is mostly missing.

It does play well though, especially if you don't like it when players change sides.
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Clash of Monarchs would probably play well with three, assuming you could get three people to commit to enough time.
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I think Wellington gives the player controlling two powers a strong advantage, so...if I were to play it, and I'm not that crazy about it...I'd prefer it with four.
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I also think 3 is the sweet spot for Here I Stand.

With 6, the players need to be experienced or there's a metric buttload of down time.
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Successors (third edition) plays well with three. its better with the designed for 4, but three is pretty good.
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The big GMT three-Here I Stand, Clash of Monarchs, and the Napoleonic Wars.
 
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lj1983 wrote:
Successors (third edition) plays well with three. its better with the designed for 4, but three is pretty good.


It is ok with 3 at best IMO, but it isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination.

I would think Nappy Wars would be a bit better with 3 but I haven't played it with that many so I may be wrong.
 
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The Napoleonic Wars

You do lose some of the diplomacy and alliance dynamics, but you can make a good case that the 3-player game is the best version (and probably the most balanced). It's my 3-player game of choice in an uncrowded field.
 
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What about Successors (third edition)?
 
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Not quite the same type of CDG, but Frederich and Maria are very good.
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bricus wrote:
Not quite the same type of CDG, but Frederich and Maria are very good.
Close enough for government work.
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Here I Stand works quite well with three, two powers per player.
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Totaler Krieg! is made for three. But it is big and not a true CDG in the sense of Paths of Glory or For the People.
 
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Maria is a great three player wargame! You might also want to consider Kutuzov: The War in Russia 1812 as it is made for 2–4 players.
 
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Successors is MUCH better with four players. Three leaves WAY too much empty space on the board and makes for a dull game, but four is a LOT of fun. (Again, not to harp on it, but I cannot stress how bad Wellington is with three...and to be perfectly honest, it's not that much better with four.)

Agreed that Maria and Friedrich play very well with three (Maria was specifically designed as a 3-player), as are a lot of WWI games: Totaler Krieg being the one card-based version I know. Never played it, but I also keep hearing, as demonstrated above, that if you can't get six, three is the second best (by far) option for Here I Stand.
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I think I prefer Nappy with two or three but not four. With four the Austrian player is usually not going to be able to do much in the second turn since he will usually be conquered. With three the Austrian player still gets to do stuff with Russia on the second turn.
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