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Hi guys, I am about to buy the AH edition because it takes less time to play, but I would like to have the option to play the Columbia’s edition as well, so my question is……

What is the difference, besides the rules, from each game?

What I am trying to know is if I buy the Columbia Blocks, and get the rules, the rest is the same? Or the Battleboard is different?

If the answer is NO, what else do I need, and Where could I find it???

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The Columbia game has many more blocks.

What I did was to buy the Columbia edition, buy some extra blocks, then sticker the blocks (you'll find the AH edition block graphics in the BGG game page). That way, I can play either 2nd or 3rd edition.
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So the blocks is the only difference, the Board Map, battle board are the same?
And there are no cards in Columbia's edition???
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thalescnm wrote:
So the blocks is the only difference, the Board Map, battle board are the same?
And there are no cards in Columbia's edition???


There are no cards in either edition.

The AH version has a mounted map, the Columbia map is basically the same (I believe there is one change on where a river flows) but is somewhat larger. The AH edition and the Columbia edition change the numbers of turns and what proportion of the turns are night turns.

All this has to do with the increased number of blocks. The AH version each block represents about half a corps (2 divisions) while the Columbia version breaks out the order of battle explicitly by division.

The battle rules are a little simpler in the Columbia version, I always found the AH edition battle procedure a little confusing to explain to people. All-in-all, while still not perfectly clear, the rules in the newer game are much cleaner.

Basically the changes are extensive enough that the two games should be considered different games on the same topic. They have a different feel. Opinions are mixed on whether the new game is an improvement, but everyone agrees they are different.

The old AH game may be too hard for the French to win between experienced players, as the Allies can delay too easily. The newer game, especially if played with the historical or semi-historical setup, which is what I would recommend.
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I might add that there are a couple of "road" changes on the maps too. Click here for the original post about the map change and scroll to the bottom. I could not find what he was talking about in his last paragraph about Renaix and Oudenarde.

Jim

davidmihola wrote:
Pz V wrote:
The roads (major/minor) and connections are identical as well.


Are you absolutely sure about that?

It looks like the roads from Thuin to Beaumont and to Charleroi are minor roads in the 2nd edition, while they are major roads in the 3rd edition. Also, in the 2nd edition there is no road from Thuin to Binche, while there is a minor one in the 3rd edition.

And - but this is probably irrelevant, if I remember the rules correctly - in the 2nd edition there are no rules from Renaix and Oudenarde to the edge of the board.

David
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The battle boards are different as well. I still use the older version with my Columbia version. If you can find a Gamma original I would definately recommend it for the quality of silk screened blocks alone.
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