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David Knepper
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Fantasy Flight Games has posted a new preview article for Tide of Iron: Fury of the Bear to its website:

A look at the armored vehicles in Fury of the Bear cool

KV-1s
SU-122s
T34/76s
Halftracks
Trucks


http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=1562
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Excellent news! Looks like the wheels are in motion again.
 
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Death and Taxis wrote:
Excellent news! Looks like the wheels are in motion again.


And treads! ninja

 
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The preview wrote:
First, we’ll look at the massive KV-1. This tank was known for its excellent armor protection, making it nearly immune to most mounted guns. In fact, the KV-1 was so notoriously defensive, the German Tiger I was produced as an answer to the Soviet’s superior armor.


This reminds me of an amusing story: before the war, when Germany and the Soviet Union were ostensibly allies, the Soviet Union sent a delegation to inspect German tank designs. Hitler gave orders that no tanks should be hidden from the Soviets, hoping to impress/scare them with Germany's superior weapons

Upon inspecting the pride of the Panzer Corps, the Panzer IV, the Soviets essentially said "That's lovely, but where are your heavy tanks?"

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Yes, but despite this fact, the Germans did NOTHING to remedy the situation. They had some tanks, which they classified as heavy, but then later on reclassified them to medium(P IV). It weight about 21 tons, the French and British tanks were similar, the Soviets were the only country in the world in 1939 to actually produce heavy tanks. This only shows how overconfident the Germans were, until it was almost too late.
 
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LukasH wrote:
Yes, but despite this fact, the Germans did NOTHING to remedy the situation. They had some tanks, which they classified as heavy, but then later on reclassified them to medium(P IV). It weight about 21 tons, the French and British tanks were similar, the Soviets were the only country in the world in 1939 to actually produce heavy tanks. This only shows how overconfident the Germans were, until it was almost too late.


Germans did nothing to remedy what? They certainly made "heavy tanks," which I'm sure you're aware of (Panther, Tiger, and variants therein). In terms of production, the medium tanks were more economical, easier to produce, and proven to be the most effective (relative to the Wehrmacht e.g. StuG III). In terms of competing with the Soviets, the Germans eventually adopted the sloped armor design of perhaps the T-34, which is evident by any of the jagd-variants.
 
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Good Points. Also an account must be taken for differences in tactical doctrine. After 1916 the German Army was not interested in going toe to toe with any army, but wanted to match their strength to enemy weakness. When the Reichswehr was working with the Russians between the wars, they envisioned the Luftwaffe being omnipresent for tactical close air support. With this in mind, having heavy tanks and the ensuing massive logistics train needed to keep up with them was not a priority. The guys tasked with mechanizing and improving the logistics arm was actually Heinz Guderian and well we all know what he preferred to spend his time on instead. If you read John Lynn's Feeding Mars or Martin van Crevald's Supplying War you see the almost comical state of affairs of German strategic logistics and also the root cause of their collapse. The more sophisticated the toys got the less likely they were to be sustainable in the field.

The Germans didn't get serious about heavy armor until the prospect of airpower as a substitution for heavy armor became obviously less viable. The initial design for the Tiger started in the mid 30s, the will to devote the scarce resources into its construction (many of which were initially earmarked for the Luftwaffe) was not there until the Germans encountered the T-34 and KV-1. This was an allowance on the part of OKW to allow doctrine to lag behind the operational realities on the front rather than the means to address the issue not being there.
 
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