True Blue Jon
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As always, I welcome any and all discussion from any kind of theist and/or atheist. What wisdom is found in the book of Proverbs?

Which proverbs are your favorites? Which ones make you say, "Wait, what?"

This translation is taken from the Tanach found here:
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/63255/jewish/The...

Mishlei - Proverbs - Chapter 16

1. The preparations of the heart are man's, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.

2. All ways of man are pure in his eyes, but the Lord counts the spirits.

3. Commit your affairs to the Lord, and your plans will be established.

4. The Lord made everything for His praise-even the wicked man for the day of evil.

5. Everyone of haughty heart is an abomination of the Lord; hand to hand he will not go unpunished.

6. With loving-kindness and truth will iniquity be expiated, and through fear of the Lord turn away from evil.

7. When the Lord accepts a person's ways, He will cause even his enemies to make peace with him.

8. Better a little with righteousness than great revenues with injustice.

9. A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord prepares his step.

10. There is magic on a king's lips; his mouth commits no treachery in judgment.

11. The balance and scales of justice are the Lord's; all the weights in the bag are His work.

12. It is an abomination to kings to commit wickedness, for with righteousness the throne is established.

13. Righteous lips are the delight of kings, and he loves the one who speaks honestly.

14. The king's wrath is [like] messengers of death, but a wise man will pacify it.

15. In the light of the King's countenance is life, and His delight is like a cloud of the late rain.

16. How much better is it to acquire wisdom than gold! And to acquire understanding is preferable to silver.

17. The highway of the upright is to turn away from evil; he who guards his soul watches his way.

18. Before destruction comes pride, and before stumbling [comes] a haughty spirit.

19. It is better to be of humble spirit with the lowly than to divide the spoils with the haughty.

20. He who considers a matter will find good, and he who trusts in the Lord is fortunate.

21. The wise-hearted shall be called understanding; and the sweetness of speech increases learning.

22. Intelligence is a fountain of life to one who has it, but the chastisement of the fools is folly.

23. The heart of a wise man give his mouth intelligence and adds learning to his lips.

24. Pleasant words are as a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.

25. There is a way [that is] straight in a man's view, but its end is ways of death.

26. The soul of a laborer labors for him, when his mouth forces him.

27. An ungodly man digs up evil, and on his lips is a kind of searing fire.

28. A perverse man incites quarrel, and a grumbler alienates the Lord.

29. A man of violence entices his neighbor and leads him on a way that is not good.

30. He winks his eyes to think perverse thoughts; he purses his lips, bringing evil to pass.

31. A hoary head is a crown of glory; it will be found in the way of righteousness.

32. One who is slow to anger is better than a mighty man, and one who rules over his spirit [is better] than one who conquers a city.

33. The lot is cast in the lap, but all his judgment is from the Lord.
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Daniel Eig
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A bit more esoteric than the previous ones.

#1 seems deep... but I honestly have no idea what it means.
#2 is an idea that always resonates with me. Almost everyone is a hero doing the right thing in their own mind...

#16 I recognize from liturgy. I've always liked it
#22 Yet the Tree of Knowledge was death.

#32 I like it.
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The proverbs about the king seem a little like Solomon patting himself on the back. I don't get much out of them.

My favorite is #19.

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It's just like the previous one, albeit written slighly differently.

Were Bible followers from that time so stupid that they need one thousand proverbs where five would be more than enough ?

Seriously, what's the point of saying the same thing again and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain and angain, ad nauseam ?
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Ask any good speechwriter.
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Just asked.

Quote:
Main ideas of a speech has to be repeated more than once. Because listener only listen 30% of what you say. So if you say the purpose of your speech once it has 70% to get lost.
Moreover if your speech would be disseced by TV or newspaper, the more you said your prime idea, the more chance it will appear in a montage/summary.
Contrary [to what I think] this isn't brainwashing at all, it's just passing a message.
About [Bible's proverbs] : The main problem is that if you said the same idea with different word, for listener it will count as a different idea each time. If you want to pass a message, you must keep using the same expression (or minor variation of it) to be effective.


So, why choosing the most stupid way to pass a message when writing one hundred times the same 5 proverbs ?

I guess that authors
1) though followers were morons
2) were themself morons if they didn't saw the sheer stupidity of what they were writing.
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