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Have a look at other GMT games. You will find a lot of them to be similar prices.
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They had to include quite a bit of awesome in the box, and that is clearly a rare commodity these days.
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ldsdbomber wrote:
So why is this? Limited print runs, incredible games, hardcore followers?

Small print run, quality components.

As to value for the money, time will tell. This is an involved game(almost Die Macher level in terms of interaction of decisions and gamelength). If length and complexity are in your wheelhouse, you will like this game a lot.

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ldsdbomber wrote:
So why is this? Limited print runs, incredible games, hardcore followers?

Lee - you live in Sweden. You have Noomi Rapace (Lisbeth) and no war and 500 year old flats and long summer days. You can't have it all. Aiii you live in paradise. Consider the import cost as simply one of those mysterious universal equity issues.


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BTW, the same could said for Martin Wallace games, especially over on this side of the pond. For the most part they're almost double the price of other games with similar components.
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I don't seem remember this many people complaining about Splotter Spellen games being high priced for what you get. Maybe I just missed it
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I don't seem remember this many people complaining about Splotter Spellen games being high priced for what you get. Maybe I just missed it


I´m not wondering about the price, as I guess it comes from a small print run, but I know that Roads & Boats has 1259 pieces, how does it compare to DS? ninja
 
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I am not sure exactly, but I used to own R&B and it doesn't seem like it had a ton more than DS.
 
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Also, a game is more than the components. A game takes significant time to design and playtest.

Players forget that all of the work that actually went into the design of the game took time.. many times more more time than it took to create the art and the components!

Just like you wouldn't say - "This piece of art isn't worth that much... after all, it's just paint and canvas."

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"The ink used on in this book is just like the ink in any other book - why is it so much?"

.. I'll encourage you to think about games as art, requiring significant time in creation and design.

Too many people forget there is more to a game than just what you can touch.
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The strange thing is, this game is NOT expensive in Australia (we are used to expensive games).

Maybe I should buy now before the retailer figures out what it's going for in the rest of the world.

 
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No matter how a good a game is I would be dissatisfied if the component quality was very poor (e.g., board falls apart after second fold).

But assuming the components are of decent quality I agree with Scott that you are paying for the ideas and the experience of the game.

Other than cards (being perhaps a smidge less than ideal), I haven't heard any complaints about the componenet quality for this game.

I ordered the game (for about $50) based on reputation and the very well written rule book with a table of contents, copious examples and gloss text in a special background

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Plus, it comes with 450 wooden bits
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snicholson wrote:
"The ink used on in this book is just like the ink in any other book - why is it so much?"

That's a bad analogy since new books generally fall within similar price bands. If the latest John Grisham novel were listed at $50, you can bet quite a few people would be asking that exact question.
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Plus, it comes with 450 wooden bits


This alone makes me wonder how anyone on this site would question the cost.
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Mike Wene wrote:
N9IWP wrote:
Plus, it comes with 450 wooden bits


This alone makes me wonder how anyone on this site would question the cost.


I dunno:

UK Prices:

C&C Ancients - £41:99
Dominant Species - £54:99

The C&C box is significantly heavier, and yet is a tenner cheaper?

Howduzzatwork?
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AdrianPHague wrote:
Mike Wene wrote:
N9IWP wrote:
Plus, it comes with 450 wooden bits


This alone makes me wonder how anyone on this site would question the cost.


I dunno:

UK Prices:

C&C Ancients - £41:99
Dominant Species - £54:99

The C&C box is significantly heavier, and yet is a tenner cheaper?

Howduzzatwork?


Maybe 75% as many pieces in C&C relates to 75% as much cost? Is that what you are asking?

My main point was that on this site it seems that most people get hung up on the $ per unit of weight or $ per piece cost of a game and use that as their sole driver when saying "why does it cost so much?".
 
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I suggest that GMT likely paid as much, if not more, for art for Dominant Species as Hans Im Gluck did to Michael Menzel for stone Age.
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curtc wrote:
BTW, the same could said for Martin Wallace games, especially over on this side of the pond. For the most part they're almost double the price of other games with similar components.


While here in ol' blighty, Martin's games are pretty good value. Could be an element of not having to pay shipping costs/import duties.

Beer is (relatively) cheap too (certainly compared to Sweden, though not with France), especially at supermarket loss-leader prices. We still don't have Noomi Rapace, though
 
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I suggest that GMT likely paid as much, if not more, for art for Dominant Species as Hans Im Gluck did to Michael Menzel for stone Age.

I'm not in any position to know, but I'm curious why you would say that. I would have suspected the opposite.
 
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curtc wrote:
clearclaw wrote:
I suggest that GMT likely paid as much, if not more, for art for Dominant Species as Hans Im Gluck did to Michael Menzel for stone Age.


I'm not in any position to know, but I'm curious why you would say that. I would have suspected the opposite.


Art costs often don't vary that much. Within a fairly narrow band they tend to be pretty constant across pieces, with the primary variance coming from the number of pieces. Dominant Species & Stone Age have similar numbers of pieces bearing (unique) art (actually, more for DS due to the cards).
 
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curtc wrote:
clearclaw wrote:
I suggest that GMT likely paid as much, if not more, for art for Dominant Species as Hans Im Gluck did to Michael Menzel for stone Age.

I'm not in any position to know, but I'm curious why you would say that. I would have suspected the opposite.


Didn't Chad do the art too?
 
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clearclaw wrote:
curtc wrote:
clearclaw wrote:
I suggest that GMT likely paid as much, if not more, for art for Dominant Species as Hans Im Gluck did to Michael Menzel for stone Age.


I'm not in any position to know, but I'm curious why you would say that. I would have suspected the opposite.


Art costs often don't vary that much. Within a fairly narrow band they tend to be pretty constant across pieces, with the primary variance coming from the number of pieces. Dominant Species & Stone Age have similar numbers of pieces bearing (unique) art (actually, more for DS due to the cards).

How can you compare the cost of art like that?! That's like saying, "This game costs more because it has more pieces."

That's crazy.

 
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ldsdbomber wrote:
Who is getting hungup ? not me, I will be getting this game. I was only curious why most newer games that seem to have "glossier" production are coming in quite a bit cheaper. I didn't stop to count how many wood pieces are, I went off the image gallery where it looked quite "homebrew" no offense intended, its quite clean and almost abstract looking.


Sorry Lee. I did not mean for my comment to be directed at you, but rather a more general statement to the recent rash of people complaining of the lack of component "quality".
 
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out4blood wrote:
clearclaw wrote:
curtc wrote:
clearclaw wrote:
I suggest that GMT likely paid as much, if not more, for art for Dominant Species as Hans Im Gluck did to Michael Menzel for stone Age.


I'm not in any position to know, but I'm curious why you would say that. I would have suspected the opposite.


Art costs often don't vary that much. Within a fairly narrow band they tend to be pretty constant across pieces, with the primary variance coming from the number of pieces. Dominant Species & Stone Age have similar numbers of pieces bearing (unique) art (actually, more for DS due to the cards).


How can you compare the cost of art like that?! That's like saying, "This game costs more because it has more pieces."

That's crazy.


That's rather the point.
 
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