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Jani Raerinne
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Since the ratio of euro to dollar is in very much on ours (Europeans) side, there’s a temptation to order games from the States. Besides, those prices have always been very tempting there.

The question is, is there net stores which would send games to Europe, in the first place. I mailed to one of those stores about two months ago, just to get no reply from there; I guess this either means that they really are not willing serve European customers or that my skills in English are worse than I imagined. Secondly, postal charges should stay quite low. Thirdly, what the “method of posting” should be (i.e. using what postal services one gets stuff to Europe with reasonable prices)?
 
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Hi,

I would just like to tell you my experience with Hammer of the Scots bought directly from Columbia games (they only sell their games on their online shop).

The game cost me 50$ (free postage at the time).
So i only payed about 40€ for the game with my VISA.

In the portuguese customs they opened my game, charged 17% import tax (EU tax), charged 19% VAT (the portuguese rate), some handling fees, some more stupid little taxes, and I had to pay about 20€ more to collect my package.

In conclusion: DON'T buy games from the US, it's not worth it. shake

Check some european stores, mainly french ones, that carry english versions, or just buy german versions!

Mario
 
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I bet gamesurplus.com would be able to help. They ship via mail, and if you ask them, I am sure they can ship to Europe.

To get an idea how much it is to ship, check out

http://www.usps.com/business/shippingtools/shippingproducts....

to calculate postage.
 
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Search European sites first for the games you want. Example: milan-spiele.de or playme.de

If you can't find the games you want, you can order them from the USA (by Airmail), but keep in mind that large orders usually pay heavy taxes to the point that the game(s) may cost you a lot of money...

A couple of times i paid up to 200% the price of the games i bought from the US in import taxes gulp
 
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Yes, I have to second all no-no advices.
From time to time I order directly from over there - when there is no other way around. But in most cases I payed a lot more then I would have payed when I would have waited till it arrives in "local" stores.
Better go for hollidays! I always come back with filled up suitcases and was never bothered by Customs - but as soon I order via mail: it takes ages, cause Customs seems to love keeping it for a while and then I have to pay tax what is up to 50% of the game price. So: game+shipping+tax ! Yuck!
 
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Jani Raerinne
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Thanks for the comments. Unfortunately my first impression (that it’s not worthwhile to order games from the States) was, it seems, correct.

The problem with those German net stores you guys mentioned is that there is so limited selection of English games: just look those, for example, of Play Me’s and you find that almost every game has been translated into German. It’s a pity, because the same games cost the double here in Scandinavia (depending on the game, of course: those games which aren’t published in Europe cost almost the same here).

I recently made a wish on an another list that there was "a tender German" who decided to specialize more on English games; well, at least on those which aren’t language independent.
 
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Hi Jani,

Don't be so sad It's just a question of losing a bit more time, a great part of games in german can be EASILY played:

- some just require the rules in english (samurai, bohnanza or geschenkt for example)
- some require some playeraids to help newbies
- some need paste-ups (puerto rico for example)

So, when searching for a game just browse through the geek, there is always an article on the subject "Language Independence?" or "How much german is in this game?".

Or try another site that has language independence ranks for games:

http://www.brettboard.dk/

You can always search english game-stores (a bit on the expensive side) or french ones that carry english versions:

http://www.jocade.net/
http://www.philibertnet.com/
http://www.ludotopia.com/

I have only ordered from philibert and they were great (only 8€ shipping inside the EU).

Good Luck!
 
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raerinne wrote:
The problem with those German net stores you guys mentioned

Hm - that leads me to the question: what net-stores do you visit? I think they are pretty well sorted. One of the guys very well, although the most expansive one cry
 
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Well, me and my friends tend to order from playme.de, although Milan-Spiele.de seems to be more inexpensive, even though some of the games cannot be found there.

I’m quite familiar with those above mentioned European stores, expect French ones and the one from Denmark, which, however, seem to have a quite narrow selection of English games, too. Someone else just whined at another list that you cannot get games from Denmark, and now having visited the site from Denmark, I see why --> “Gaming Recommendations” --> “Dungeoneer in Denmark”

Yes, I’m quite familiar with “language independent games” list – they’ve helped me a lot, although funagain.com lists the games and their language independency as well. Is that (http://www.funagain.com/control/main) THE shop or not? Yes, you can find more inexpensive stores in the States; nevertheless, it’s by far the best strictly commercial site on the net I know of. And having visited there regularly and seen at what prices games are sold there, I get very excited. Thus, the question concerning ordering games from the States.
 
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Mhm, yes... there are 3 net-stores I tried so far in Germany:

http://www.fanen.com - most expansive, compensates this a little with free goodies what he sends along with the ordered stuff;

http://www.delayedreactions.de - link name can be program some times and starting with April 1st he offers his now sending-variants - as actually it's horrible expensive to order from there

http://www.milan-spiele.de/

And for all 3 I give thumbs up.

If there would be no shipping and no tax - I would also love to take more advantage of US-sellers. Also great service every time. I really had never bad experiences.
 
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http://www.brettboard.dk/

Is it Danish?


 
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I have some mixed experience regarding games bought in US.

Strictly speaking games aren't subject to any import fees, but we all know that's bogus.

Two titles I got from GMT games got here fine, and I know from other customers that GMT titles aren't subject of import fees at customs - even when the package is opened and inspected (as was the case). So if you like wargames, and enjoy the GMT ones you're safe.

One very important thing is that the sender shouldn't forget the customs declaration sticker. He should identify the content as "Game" and value as the price of the item. If the sender is in a good mood he may fill in a lower value, in case you are made to pay custom fees, but they generally don't, as if the package is lost they receive the amount they input as value. If there is no customs declaration sticker and no receipt inside the package, customs issue a arbitrary value to the package and you'll have to pay tax on that. (You may also ask sender to send as "gift" (identify on declaration sticker) - and gifts aren't normally subject of tax, but again customs officials aren't dumb...).

Another thing to consider is Punishment Customs which happened to me once when I got a Mahjong set from US. The package was held in Euro customs in Germany and I had to pay an arbitrary value they issued... Read more about punishment customs at http://www.ugg.de - they are also European distributor for GMT games and many other great wargame companies.

But as you point out, ordering from US is indeed mouthwatering, but often a roulette. When the game actually gets home without customs fee then you surely saved yourself 10 to 20 EUR (or more!) per game.


EDIT: Oh and don't buy from Ludotopia until further notice. Check the thread here: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geekforum.php3?action=viewthrea...
 
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