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Ryan Metzler
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Hey all ~

MY girlfriend and I have been contemplating a new purchase in the post-christmas season and we both seem interested in learning the 18XX system. This was originally spurred by the look and sound of Poseidon, which we have not played. We have actually not played many games of this type at all.

What we are looking for here is a suggestion as to:

1) Whether or not people think we will like 18XX based on our ratings (my game ratings are a reflection of both of our ratings most of the time).

2) What is a good starting point for 18XX.

All suggestions are welcome, as well as other like genre games that we may like! We have an open mind about this. However, please note that cost is most certainly an issue (we are poor students).

Thanks much!
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I've never played an 18XX game, so take this with a grain of salt.

18EZ was designed with the 18XX newbie in mind.

I have played Chicago Express and I hear it has some similarities to 18XX. It plays quick and it's a fantastic game. Fairly simple rules with very deep gameplay.



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remus wrote:
I've never played an 18XX game, so take this with a grain of salt.

18EZ was designed with the 18XX newbie in mind.

I have played Chicago Express and I hear it has some similarities to 18XX. It plays quick and it's a fantastic game. Fairly simple rules with very deep gameplay.





Thanks for this, I'll take a look. Would still like a bit more info about 18XX intro tho...
 
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slaqr wrote:

2) What is a good starting point for 18XX.


18EZ is recommended a lot. Otherwise if you can get your hands onto a Steam over Holland it's quite a good intro game too. If you're just two players go get Railroad Barons (and the FAQ), it's a very condensed 18XX.
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18AL has an awesome video review on it.

...and it's print 'n play.
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bippi wrote:
18AL has an awesome video review on it.

...and it's print 'n play.


And I have a copy of it...

edit: Ryan - take a look at what I have. I also have Wabash Cannonball on the way from the last math trade.
 
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scoutmom wrote:
bippi wrote:
18AL has an awesome video review on it.

...and it's print 'n play.


And I have a copy of it...


I played 18AL as my intro to 18xx, and I felt like it was a good way to start getting used to most of the major mechanics in the series.
 
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My favorite 18xx game for six players is two games of 1846 with three players each.
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Here is a GeekList on this topic:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/50903/item/1170538#ite...

My recommendation is 1846: The Race for the Midwest, as discussed in the following GeekList item comment, but it is not so easy to get (the waiting list at Deep Thought Games is close to a year now.)

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/43918/item/979397#item...
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I've played several 18xx games--1830, 1835, 1856, 1846--and I can heartily recommend 18EZ as a superb introductory 18xx, specifically at level 2. It is a full 18xx game with superb ergonomics, but with all of the confusing chrome stripped off.

After you've learned the system with 18EZ, any of the other recommendations here are fine.

Please note, however, that the 18xx system is not really designed for 2 players--there are 2-player 18xx games (including the print-and-play 1800 and at least one unit of 1825), but the main line of 18xx is 3-6 player games.

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What do people think of Poseidon so far as an introduction to 18XX? Too new for anyone to have a real good feel yet?
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Definitely 18AL or 18GA both are short and simple and print & play.
 
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18ez seems to be recommended based on its name only, as a game from all I know about it it seems to show the authors didn't have that divine an idea what 18xx are about..

looking at games that are available without a year wait:

1860 - supposedly works good for 2. it isn't the main branch of 18xx games, so you might be a bit surprised how much different games like 1830 are from this, but it is reasonably quick, and should be available still.

I found poseidon to be quite a nice streamlined 18xx. much of the 18xx feel is present, but is quite a bit less fiddly.

Railroad Barons probably are not a good idea as a first 18xx game - it should be a lot easier to understand it after playing one of the boardgames.

18al/18ga are not available p&p officially anymore, are they? they are quite good if you can get them and want to print this out (a LOT of work). alternatively you could try playing 18al (or 1889, another good one) on a computer with Rails - this will save you having to p&p, but is a little uncomfortable. on the other hand it does force following many of the rules, which should be good when you're learning the system.

EDIT: another thought: 1800 has everything to p&p here on the geek, and requires a LOT less work, and is a very minimalistic 2 (or 3) player variant. as an introduction it could work. it is impossible to read its rulebook as is - you need to read 18al rules and then 1800, as 1800 rulebook assumes knowledge of 'general' ruleset. (when it mentions sth is 'like 1830' it means it is 'like 18al')
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bazik123 wrote:

18al/18ga are not available p&p officially anymore, are they?


They're still currently up at: [url]http://www.diogenes.sacramento.ca.us/18AL_18GA.html
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They're supposedly going to be taken down once Dixie is ready. Get them while you can.
 
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