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Aaron Sapp
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We played two games last night. (4 player) In neither set was there a +2 action card, and there was only one +1 action card in each set (lighthouse and laboratory).

After losing the first game badly and getting second in the second game it occurred to me I might have had too many terminal action cards. I wondered if that thought was generizable.

Is it true to say in a +action poor set one should by relatively more coins and fewer action cards than one would normally buy when +2 action cards are available?
 
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lantern314 wrote:
We played two games last night. (4 player) In neither set was there a +2 action card, and there was only one +1 action card in each set (lighthouse and laboratory).

After losing the first game badly and getting second in the second game it occurred to me I might have had too many terminal action cards. I wondered if that thought was generizable.

Is it true to say in a +action poor set one should by relatively more coins and fewer action cards than one would normally buy when +2 action cards are available?
That's been my experience, yes.
 
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"That's good. You have taken your first step into a larger world ..."


In other words, yes. In fact, it is often true even in sets with +action cards.
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Labs are a nice card to get many of. The dominion strategy laboratory article makes this point well.

But yes, generally there aren't net plus actions (or throne room/king court's and possibly golems), then you should not have many terminal actions.
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Generally, yes. Furthermore, if you're playing a Single-Action-Plus-Treasure strategy, generally the best kinds of actions to get are Attacks or cards with +Card powers.
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Obviously one good rule of thumb is, if you're drawing a lot of action cards that you paid for and you have to discard without playing, then they might as well have been Estates.
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If you have 1 terminal action for every 5 cards in your deck, you'll draw, on average, 1 terminal action each hand. Of course, you'll still have some hands with no actions and some hands with 2 actions.
 
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In a game like that, I would focus on getting as much Labs as I can, possibly passing up Gold.

Labs always run out fast and it's better to have a greater share than a smaller share.

Look at this graph: http://councilroom.com/win_rate_diff_accum.html?cards=Cost%3.... It shows that having the bigger share will most likely win you the game and having the smaller share will most likely lose you the game.

So the idea is to build a big Lab chain, drawing as much of your deck as possible and play a big finisher like Goons.
 
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KernTheGerm wrote:
Generally, yes. Furthermore, if you're playing a Single-Action-Plus-Treasure strategy, generally the best kinds of actions to get are Attacks or cards with +Card powers.


Exceptions being Remodel/Salvager/Bishop/Apprentice? etc where they can consume other terminals/duplicates
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gonzoron wrote:
"That's good. You have taken your first step into a larger world ..."


In other words, yes. In fact, it is often true even in sets with +action cards.


Ron, I feel like I've been stomping around in this larger world completely bewildered for some time now. I've been doing so much reading, and yet I still lose to my wife 4 games out of 5.
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Maybe you can post some general strategies you use and the smarties here can point out why they are faulty.
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lantern314 wrote:
Ron, I feel like I've been stomping around in this larger world completely bewildered for some time now. I've been doing so much reading, and yet I still lose to my wife 4 games out of 5.
Reading is good, but playing is better. Playing a few dozen games on isotropic can be really educational.

But don't fret, my wife beats me regularly too.

Er... at Dominion, that is.
 
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gonzoron wrote:
But don't fret, my wife beats me regularly too.

Er... at Dominion, that is.


While this probably isn't a subtle cry for help... there is a real life "moat" you can use to protect yourself. They are called the police, and, much like the moat, they are also blue! If you ever feel threatened, give them a call.
 
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Stunna wrote:
gonzoron wrote:
But don't fret, my wife beats me regularly too.

Er... at Dominion, that is.


While this probably isn't a subtle cry for help... there is a real life "moat" you can use to protect yourself. They are called the police, and, much like the moat, they are also blue! If you ever feel threatened, give them a call.


Thanks, but no, that wasn't a cry for help. I typed the first sentence and then realized it could be misconstrued and added the second. No intent to make light of domestic abuse or anything. maybe a smiley was in order.
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