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I don´t understand depressive behavior without a reason. A serious reason.

My sister is living with me now, and I think she is depressed. I can´t understand depression. I really can´t. Maybe I´m just a luck person who never felt that way.

Most of the time I just think depression is a stupid way to get someone´s attention, but I can be wrong.

Did any of you ever get depressed? seriously depressed?

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I half way agree. In that when somebody has a broken bone, I can empathize with them even though I've never had one. But when somebody is just depressed and mopes around all the time with no reason I can see, it's hard for me to feel bad for them; mostly I want to shout "Snap out of it you loser!" until they stop being such a whiner.

But even though it's hard to empathize, I've known a bunch of people who did get depressed for no reason, really badly depressed, and I can see how much it sucked for them. So...if your sister really is clinically depressed, then I guess try to think of how it must be and see if there's anything you can do to help her.
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misspotatohead wrote:

Most of the time I just think depression is a stupid way to get someone´s attention, but I can be wrong.


In this case, it'd be extremely difficult for you to get more wrong without trying. I might as well claim that Portuguese is a stupid language, because I never needed to use it.

Depression is real, and it happens to many people in their lives. Reasons that happen to not be serious at all for you might be very serious for someone else, and vice versa.

It's your sister, grow some empathy.
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Depression runs my family and is serious stuff. My mom tells me that my grandmother had it pretty bad. I went through a difficult depression in my teens. I wasn't on any medication or even diagnosed but I knew what it was.

I remember feeling painfully miserable all day long and there was nothing I could to to shake it. Nothing would make me laugh or even smile. My confidence was shattered, I was self conscience about everything, and I became reserved and wouldn't talk much. At one point I briefly considered suicide because it felt like there was no end in sight.

Eventually I grew out of it during college. But it became a constant battle to try and stay positive. I still have to fight negative thoughts that flood into my mind. There's no way that I want go down that dark road ever again.
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I hope this isn't oversharing.

I've been fighting a serious depressive episode brought on by divorce for about two years now.

I call it "the bug." I picture a giant cockroach wrapped around my brain, feeding off all my feelings. There isn't very much left. I've called in sick a couple of times at work because I didn't have the energy to get out of bed.

Depression is a very real medical condition, and one that must be taken seriously. It ruins lives, and in too many cases, ends them.
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I've had chronic and major depression since I was five. It's not something you can easily control.
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I've encountered 2 type of depression.

The actual uncontrolled depression, where people just want it to stop, I sometimes equate it to having a bad migraine that won't go away.

Then there are people who decide they are depressed and don't want to be happy. Usually they "get over it", when the drama wears out.

Uncontrolled depression is a very serious issue.
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misspotatohead wrote:

Most of the time I just think depression is a stupid way to get someone´s attention, but I can be wrong.


Few things people have said make me more angry than this statement. A friend of mine committed suicide last year due to depression, and I never knew how affected she was. She kept it well hidden, that's how depression often works. True depression is something I wouldn't wish on anyone, since the way it works it prevents people from actually getting the help they need. Trivializing the problem is the worst thing you can do. I wish I could tell you what you should do to help your sister, but if I knew my friend would still be here.
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Aline raises an honest question. I'm sure it can be hard to understand, other people's pain often is. Doctors don't know everything about depression, but it is a real affliction. Hopefully your sister will seek professional help. I wish you both the very best.
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misspotatohead wrote:


Did any of you ever get depressed? seriously depressed?



I hate to say it, but I have the same feelings about depression as you. I just don't see or understand it. If and when I get sad, I just say fuck it, grab my boot straps, and move forward with my life. I truly just don't believe in depression.
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What is up with so-called diabetics? Suck it up, quit whining, and stop trying to get attention.
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I understand where you are coming from but this and this might help give you an understanding.
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I have a serious neurological condition. My neurons suddenly, often over the slightest provocation, decide to dump all of my serotonin into my bloodstream. I act oddly then, often acting out in violent emotional outbursts -- my system has learned that violent emotional responses raise my serotonin levels. If I eat foods high in serotonin -- bananas, walnuts -- my system starts to temporarily readjust, and occasionally fully readjust.

This type of depression is physical. Suddenly I am overcome, for no reason at all, with a desire to kill myself. This happens no matter if my life is going great or horribly.

So, people who tell me to get over it usually wind up with my fist in their throat.

If you have problems understanding the workings of the mind, read a manual on Neurology. It may help. The nervous system is not some bugaboo or chimera that exists in the ether, but an actual set of organs that can and does get sick or damaged.

Oh, and fuck off Chapel.
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Osiris Ra wrote:

Oh, and fuck off Chapel.


I can accept that.
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Here's the problem: from an outsider, the symptoms of depression are more or less the same as someone who's just moping about. Someone who seems to be sad-sacking it for attention (of which there are quite a few) seems, to someone not inside their head, to be the exact same thing as someone who suffers from clinical depression (of which there are quite a few).

I know many people who just needed to be told to suck it up and move on. These people didn't have clinical depression; they just needed to be told to get it together--they simply needed someone to help them put things in perspective, or to talk out their problems. These are legitimate cases.

But, of course, that's not going to work for someone who has a medical condition.

What's the answer? I don't know. Just assuming everyone has clinical depression isn't productive, since those people that need non-medical help won't get what they need.

Personally, I know clinical depression is real, but I also think it's highly overdiagnosed, and a lot of people use it as an excuse for bad behavior. (For the record, I think nearly all medical conditions are highly overdiagnosed, for a variety of reasons I won't go into now.) So while I think it would be important to be sensitive to the people who need help, an automatic diagnosis requiring medication/therapy/etc. is just as foolish as saying clinical depression doesn't exist.
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Here some questions. If society as a whole rejects depression as a valid condition.

A. What would be the end product of that rejection?
B. If we have 100 years of psychotherapy and
C. 100 years and an army of new pharmacology.

In those 100 years, what has been the effect on lets say suicide? Are we more susceptible to depression than we were 100 years ago? If so why? Has humans evolved into a society of depression in just 100 years? What has changed?

Maybe the mind becomes what it believes.

So no, unless you can answer these questions with certainty, then I will always reject depression as a valid problem.

You can reject Diabetes, and you WILL die. I reject depression. Would I die?
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MWChapel wrote:
Here some questions. If society as a whole rejects depression as a valid condition.

A. What would be the end product of that rejection?
B. If we have 100 years of psychotherapy and
C. 100 years and an army of new pharmacology.

In those 100 years, what has been the effect on lets say suicide? Are we more susceptible to depression than we were 100 years ago than today? If so why? Has humans evolved into a society of depression in just 100 years? What has changed.

Maybe the mind becomes what it believes.

So no, unless you can answer these questions with certainty, then I will always reject depression as a valid problem.

You can reject Diabetes, and you WILL die. I reject depression. Would I die?


Since when are you a Scientologist?


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MWChapel wrote:
You can reject Diabetes, and you WILL die. I reject depression. Would I die?

Possible. If I ignore my depressive episode, my body will try to throw itself out of a tall building's window. That is why I must let others know of my condition, so that someone can do something about it OR someone can get me a couple of bannanas or a double-handful of walnuts.

Okay. Physical symptom: when I am depressed, the vasocompression makes me see things as if they are closer and smaller; that is, I will walk/drive through the same street I always do, only I will physically see it all as it is narrower. This is not a mental perception, but an actual change in my vision.
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misspotatohead wrote:
I don´t understand depressive behavior without a reason. A serious reason.

My sister is living with me now, and I think she is depressed. I can´t understand depression. I really can´t. Maybe I´m just a luck person who never felt that way.

Most of the time I just think depression is a stupid way to get someone´s attention, but I can be wrong.

Did any of you ever get depressed? seriously depressed?



I suffer from clinical depression for which I am on a variety of medications. It is quite possible to be seriously depressed with no obvious outward reason for it. Depression can be a very serious problem, and in extreme cases can lead to suicide. If you think your sister might have depression, I would suggest you try to get her professional help. A good psychiatrist can help in getting her on the right medications, and a good psychologist can help her in learning how to deal with her emotions.
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If you even think someone is suffering from depression, you must, and I repeat must, get that person to a trained specialist in depression for evaluation right now. Do not go to the emergency room (unless the person is actively hurting him or herself or someone else). Go to a psychiatrist or psychologist as soon as you can get them there.

A trained professional can evaluate the person for serious depression which is unlikely to get better on its own as opposed to the 'I recently have had a run of bad luck type' sadness which likely will get better.

The longer you wait before getting a depressed person to help, the longer and more arduous the journey back to health will be and the more likely the depression will return - as well as increasing the likelihood of suicide.

The more the person actively resists the idea of psychiatric intervention the more likely they are not clinically depressed. If they do not resist at all, the need for help is great. This is not true in 100 percent of cases, but is true of the vast majority.

Yes, depression runs in my family - suicide (but not in the last two generations), hospitalizations, and some barely able to function even with lots of medication and/or intervention.

Also, it's very common for those living with or caring for depressed persons to just get angry with them. It's natural. The mantra for caregivers (like me) is "I know it's a disease. He/she can't help it. The best thing I can do is continue to make sure they get help. I need to get help for myself coping with this, too."

Here's to hoping your sister is just temporarily sad. Please, though, make sure.

Good luck,
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Depression often seems to be caused or solved by mixing up our brain chemistry. It makes me wonder how much free will we really have sometimes.
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I've seen many posts on here that espouse ignorance, but this one takes the fucking cake.

If any of you have never seen a depressed person, a suicidal person, or a person with serious maladaptive behavior, then you are VERY fortunate. Maybe even lucky.

I have seen depression in all of its horrors, and I have seen what it does to good people. For some, it's solved with medication. For others, it's never solved, and it becomes a life-long burden on themselves, their family, and their friends.

It is among the most serious challenges I have ever faced in my life, and no one is going to tell me with any credibility that it does not exist.

That's ignorance at it's height, and these "deniers" need to be educated before spreading any more nonsense.
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In (partial) defense of Chapel, it can be very difficult for people who rely on 'intestinal fortitude' to get through their miserable lives to understand a person with depressive tendencies/disorders.

It's the same type of misunderstanding that surrounds addiction (another 'invisible' affliction), wherein people will wonder why you can't simply quit.

I have a friend who conquered very serious drug addiction by force of will, which is wonderful. He's also been jobless while trying to support a family...things of that nature. But, for whatever reason, he has no depressive tendencies and so finds them hard to understand or even tolerate, because he's comparing apples to oranges; his situation to ours.

In his mind it's "I've had 'real' problems, and come through them by sheer willpower. Why can't you do the same?"

As with so many of our perceptions, a person's background and/or upbringing can make it an extreme challenge to accept an alternative point of view, even if that so-called alternative is based on the most solid set of facts and evidence.
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Dante_Cubit wrote:
I've seen many posts on here that espouse ignorance, but this one takes the fucking cake.

If any of you have never seen a depressed person, a suicidal person, or a person with serious maladaptive behavior, then you are VERY fortunate. Maybe even lucky.

I have seen depression in all of its horrors, and I have seen what it does to good people. For some, it's solved with medication. For others, it's never solved, and it becomes a life-long burden on themselves, their family, and their friends.

It is among the most serious challenges I have ever faced in my life, and no one is going to tell me with any credibility that it does not exist.

That's ignorance at it's height, and these "deniers" need to be educated before spreading any more nonsense.


Kevin, I think you misunderstood me. If you or someone else are offended with what I said, I´m sorry. But I was honest when I said that is a thing that I can´t understand, depression without a reason.

My opinion is not that depressive people are losers.

I don´t think everybody´s life is easy and everybody can be happy ever after. But, sometimes my impression is that everyone feels sorry for depressive persons. Happy people are guilty for something?

Like "Oooh... you are so happy, why can´t I be happy like this?"

I have been seen depressive persons all of my life. Mother, close friends, boyfriends, teachers, I just can´t understand. That´s make me wrong? An ignorant monster?
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