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Just in case one group doesn't like to do it this way, does it really break the game alot to allow players to rearrange their hands in any order they see fit?
 
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This would really kill the game. The vast majority of the game is having to trade to manage the order of the cards. If you just rearrange them you have lost virtually all of the tension and decision making that make this game great.
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About poker: Just in case one doesn't like to do it this way, does it really break the game a lot to allow players to look at each other's hands?

Seriously, this is just as game breaking. Managing your planting queue is what makes the game interesting.
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ackmondual wrote:
Just in case one group doesn't like to do it this way, does it really break the game alot to allow players to rearrange their hands in any order they see fit?

Suppose you are playing Chess. Would it really break the game to allow a player to swap the position of any two pieces at will?
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Yes it is game breaking. It is one of the major drivers of the need to trade. If you don't like the no reordering of the cards you should probably play something else.
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Where I come from, that is called CHEATING
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clearclaw wrote:
Yes.


Yes.

Wow! I actually agree with
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That alone tells me that this "Yes." answer spans the gamut of gamers.
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Where I come from, that is called CHEATING
Well, serves me right for not putting this into the Variants forum.
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There is actually already a variant (actually an expansion) that lets you change the order of your cards.

Check out Telebohn:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgameexpansion/13474/telebo...

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ackmondual wrote:
Just in case one group doesn't like to do it this way, does it really break the game alot to allow players to rearrange their hands in any order they see fit?


Every time you rearrange your hand in Bohnanza, a kitten gets squished by a steamroller.
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baba44713 wrote:
Every time you rearrange your hand in Bohnanza, a kitten gets squished by a steamroller.


Piloted by Clearclaw

Seriously though, don't rearrange your hands, it's the core mechanic of the game.
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Without that mechanic, you're getting closer to playing a simplified form of Rummy. At which point just drop the limitation on the number of fields and play Bohnrumza.

The game hinges on set card order and limited planting sites. I wouldn't tell you not to do it (the cards are yours) but it's fairly crucial to the published game.
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ackmondual wrote:
Just in case one group doesn't like to do it this way, does it really break the game alot to allow players to rearrange their hands in any order they see fit?

OMG, I know players who would rather rearrange your head than their cards. Break the game? The rare and exquisite rule of keeping your hand in order is the heart of the game. Why fix something that ain't broken?
 
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ackmondual wrote:
Just in case one group doesn't like to do it this way, does it really break the game alot to allow players to rearrange their hands in any order they see fit?

OMG, I know players who would rather rearrange your head than their cards. Break the game? The rare and exquisite rule of keeping your hand in order is the heart of the game. Why fix something that ain't broken?
Nongamers. Social experience over game for them.
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It begs the question: How many times has your group played it correctly and incorrectly? Is this just a 'first impressions' reaction or not?
 
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It begs the question: How many times has your group played it correctly and incorrectly? Is this just a 'first impressions' reaction or not?
Haven't played with them yet, but they do do this sort of thing.
 
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It is hilarious how we regard our games with an almost religious fervor.

But at the same time if you are having a group of people over to pretend to play Bonanza you might as well put a pile of laundry in front of them and spend the evening sorting it. It would be the same experience as playing Bonanza with rearranging your hand and you would at least accomplish something useful.
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capadotia wrote:
It is hilarious how we regard our games with an almost religious fervor.


11 to 26 thumbs (and counting) per simple post? I tell you, I'd be lucky to get even 3 thumbs for a response to a similar question on other game message boards


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But at the same time if you are having a group of people over to pretend to play Bonanza you might as well put a pile of laundry in front of them and spend the evening sorting it. It would be the same experience as playing Bonanza with rearranging your hand and you would at least accomplish something useful.


At this point, it's moot. They're too far away, so I've stopped going to them. I figured I'd visit them one more time since I posted this thread, but no. I'd figure playing Bohnanza incorrectly is still better than playing 8p to 12p Phase 10, Uno, Apples To Apples, or Mexican Train "more correctly" (since IIRC, these games max out at 8p to 10p anyways)
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capadotia wrote:
It is hilarious how we regard our games with an almost religious fervor.


11 to 26 thumbs (and counting) per simple post? I tell you, I'd be lucky to get even 3 thumbs for a response to a similar question on other game message boards


Sometimes dropping a thumb is more efficient than posting "I agree with so-and-so."

Not being able to rearrange your hand in Bohnanza creates a certain amount of pressure to negotiate and deal with other players. The only way you can manage the order of your cards is by trading or giving them away. Removing that limitation would mean less incentive to trade, and the game would likely be won by whoever draws the best cards.

At that point, you would be better off pulling out a non-competitive party game. Something Apples to Apples or Dixit or Catchphrase where everyone can play and laugh and interact without worrying too much about keeping score.
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newuser wrote:
ackmondual wrote:
capadotia wrote:
It is hilarious how we regard our games with an almost religious fervor.


11 to 26 thumbs (and counting) per simple post? I tell you, I'd be lucky to get even 3 thumbs for a response to a similar question on other game message boards


Sometimes dropping a thumb is more efficient than posting "I agree with so-and-so."
Folks in other game message boards should still follow the same principle, so nothing's changed there. It's still the same comparison.
 
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Also it is fun to keep saying "Keep em in order!"
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Every time you rearrange your hand in Bohnanza, a kitten gets squished by a steamroller.


If BGG would go with signatures under posts this would be mine. Simply brilliant.
 
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The idea of the kitten crushing steam roller makes me want to re-order my hand, is this a bad feeling! whistle
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When I teach the game: "The first rule of this game is you cannot rearrange the cards in your hand. What is the first rule? Say it back to me."

Unrelated but: "The first rule of El Grande is you cannot change anything in the territory with the King. Say it back to me."
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