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Long sword is part of the basic game. If you have that, check those cards.

Foot units default to the Short Sword and Mounted units default to the Long Sword. Unless otherwise noted of course.
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petermc wrote:
Thanks. I must be misremembering. I've played the game for years, and in my mind the basic infantry unit is a short sword.

I'll check tonight, but I don't recall an infantry long sword weapon card.

Long sword is the weapon of mounted units. Its symbol is a rider with a sword. With COC, the foot knights retain their long sword.
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petermc wrote:
Right. But there is no long sword weapon card for foot units. (I checked!). Only short.

Are you suggesting that the mounted knight foot units use the horse's long sword card? (does that even make a difference...you hit on bonus strikes either way).

Yes. The long sword is NOT exclusive of horses and DOW did a disservice by using that as the weapon symbol.

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I was mostly commenting on the nomenclature problem. But now I'm genuinely confused.

What nomenclature issue. It says "long sword" the reference card says "long sword." Where is something else being introduced?
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The difference is that a short sword carrying troop doesn't hit on the first bonus strike symbol when fighting cavalry - Long Swords suffer no such limitation.

The Universal Head references are a good source of clarifications and a good collation of this stuff.

Cheers,

Giles.
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petermc wrote:
Right. But there is no long sword weapon card for foot units. (I checked!). Only short.

Do you have the card in the upper right? If so, you have the Long Sword card. Nowhere on here does it limit it to mounted units or say it is not applicable to foot units.


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petermc wrote:
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If so, you have the Long Sword card. Nowhere on here does it limit it to mounted units or say it is not applicable to foot units.


Right, that is what I meant when I started this thread.

Oh, so the part about not having a Long Sword card was a ruse?

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edit: although I would refer you to pages 23 and 24 which to indicate short swords are for infantry and long swords are for cavalry, but if that's incorrect, then:

Sure that is incorrect. No where on page 23 or 24 does it say that these cards azre exclusive to those types. All it says is that the short sword is the weapon of choice for foot units. The long sword the weapon of choice for mounted units. But we clearly see that other foot units carry other weapons - even in the base game: look at the crossbow and short bow. So I am not really sure what point you are saying here. As I already stated above, short is the default weapon of foot units but if their card says something different - as it does in this case, then use a different weapon. It calls for a long sword. You have a long sword card. Follow those directions.

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So I take it you could also give a Knight's lance weapon card to a foot unit?

If a future unit required it, yes. But not on any whim. Likewise, that card is not limiting itself to only mounted units. A weapon card represents only the weapon type and does not limit itself to units. Unit cards then reference back to weapon cards. if they don't reference a weapon, such as the case with the Scottish Clan Chiefs, then default to the short sword since they are foot units.

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Another oddity is that while the rules refer to "Foot Knight Long Swordsmen", as do the specialist cards, the summary cards only refer to Foot Knights, no mention of long sword, nor short.

Didn't you start this whole thread stating that the Foot Knight card called for a long sword?

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I think this whole thread is just an amplification of the previous one, the ongoing module-itis of the FFG transition creates a million anomalies. No big deal.

I really don't see that here. Your assumption is what caused the anomoly, not anything the game has done!
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Well you deleted your rather rude response. So I'll just comment here:

1) This is a rules forum and I tend to take question seriously. If the whole thread was meant to be funny, then I will try to remember to stay off your future rule question threads.

2) I still don't understand your point. A new symbol is being given to Foot Knights. While the summary card should have been clear, the rules do state quite clearly that Knights use the Long Sword. So get out your basic game reference card that shows Long Sword and use it.

3) I don't know what you keep harping about that FFG is not using the "standard" or "established" rules. Banners are meant to ID the unit, not necessarily the weapon. Even DOW changed this up when they gave the Scottish Clan Chiefs a unique Banner to ID them and then went back and gave them the Short Sword as a Weapon.

4) So put an end to this - your question was what weapon do Foot Units use: the Long Sword weapon like the rules said to use.
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If you really are editing your thread - don't delete it. Every time I quote you and respond to you point by point, I lose my response as well because your post no longer exists.
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