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Subject: Invading Gibraltar! rss

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Rober Khan
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Well, that's more or less it. We are starting a Fascist Tide soon and I'll be running CW+USA, but for a long time I've been wondering if an invasion of Gibraltar without touching Spain is possible. You know, controlling French Morocco, Western Mediterranean and Cape San Vicente and parachutting/invading from the sea on the Rock until it falls, thus convincing little Franco to definitely join the fascist side.
Has such a thing ever been tried by someone here? If so, how did it go?
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Possible yes.
With the 2d10 chart, some Italians/Germans will just launch a Mar,Div and SB at Gibraltar and pray. If it works, bonanza!If not costs 7 BP.
Having North African air bases to cut supply, flip units and add paras will make it possible to have a realistic attack.

Never put non-major power Territorials in Gibraltar if you can help it. Really mucks up the stacking versatility. Ships of all nations will want to base there at some point. Same goes for Malta.
Keep the Axis out of Morocco and you have gone a long way to keeping Gibraltar secure. Those airbases will be the deciding factor when crunch time comes, whether via Spain or not.

Taken Gibraltar via Spain myself. Never lost Gibraltar myself. I always build a 1 sided fort turn 1 for the Spanish border. Indicates the assault via Spain will not be easy or quick.Many times that has just turned the early axis plans in a different direction.

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Yep, airbases in Africa is the key, that's what I thought. German fleet in Brest could also help.
Soon playing as Churchill, I take the FORT thing into acount, too. But I expect my oponents to be more stubborn. They will build some ENG and some really big guns, if they are coming for it. Well, I'll trust the Navy and London MIL, as usual. I feel more agressive these days, I should better be running Italy...
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So getting Gib OoS, would that require SCS in the St. Vincent area, or can it be done with Subs only?

Support from planes, shore bombardment and MAR from TRS+bigINF (or HQ)from amph+div from CA as invasion force. If Gib is OoS one could try and flip the defenders and have a go at it, or?
 
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Pectin wrote:
So getting Gib OoS, would that require SCS in the St. Vincent area, or can it be done with Subs only?

Support from planes, shore bombardment and MAR from TRS+bigINF (or HQ)from amph+div from CA as invasion force. If Gib is OoS one could try and flip the defenders and have a go at it, or?
If playing with regular supply rules, the Axis will need a surface combat ship, or a plane with an air-to-sea factor in Cape St Vincent area. Subs alone don't cut supply.

If using LOS (limited overseas supply) the Allies need to have a convoy point or TRS/AMPH in Cape St V.

But yes - flipping the defenders in Gib and attacking while they are out of supply gives much better chances of success.
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We are playing with LOS, so what I meant was if any had experience with unlimited submarine warfare in the St. Vincent (some 4 subs from Italy and 8-10 from Germany) in order to knock out all CPs. Or is the CW just to strong (we are also playing with ASW ships) for subs only to do the job?
 
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Pectin wrote:
We are playing with LOS, so what I meant was if any had experience with unlimited submarine warfare in the St. Vincent (some 4 subs from Italy and 8-10 from Germany) in order to knock out all CPs. Or is the CW just to strong (we are also playing with ASW ships) for subs only to do the job?
Subs are a definite threat to CW CPs and therefore supply. A lucky surprise roll and the CPs can be taken out even if the CW has done the right thing and made sure to have SCS and some sort of air-to-sea in the zero box. Especially if the Axis dedicates that many subs!

If the battle for Gib is on and playing with LOS, if I were the CW I would keep a TRS in the three box - with escort of course - so that if all CP are swept away, I'm still in supply.
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