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Apparently a common causative factor in homophobia is self-denial of homosexual tendencies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

Surely this is just too deliciously ironic to be true?
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Not sure this is news. Although this may be the first conformation. No its not Ironic, it a common feature of Humans to hate somethig becasue in truth you want it. What it is is hypocracy.
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Kevin C wrote:
Likewise, I was unaware of a systematic survey on this topic. However that paper is from 1996, and the sample size is small. Here's a list of books and papers citing that work, it might be worth a look for something more recent:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=16565622937067799386...

The use of phallometric studies is also not uncontroversial, although are historical factors which contribute to that. I'm not sure what the current consensus is. See footnotes 28-30 of this comprehensive article on the non-link between homosexuality and child abuse: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,002.htm


Thanks - this is exactly the sort of response I was hoping for. Very interesting.
 
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i always tease homophobes about their motives
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MattDP wrote:
Apparently a common causative factor in homophobia is self-denial of homosexual tendencies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

Surely this is just too deliciously ironic to be true?


I can believe it.

I've met serveral people whose homophobia seemed to stem from a basic insecurity in their own sexuality.
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Drew1365 wrote:
Yay! Confirmation bias!


Hey, I'd rather have a reason people hate homosexuals. Barring evidence to the contrary I just assume everyone who is anti-gay is an unconscionable asshole.
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Hey, I'd rather have a reason people hate homosexuals. Barring evidence to the contrary I just assume everyone who is anti-gay is an unconscionable asshole.


Indeed. I've always been slightly puzzled by homophobia in the sense that for other areas of bigotry there always seems to be a supportable, if flawed, argument to justify it. So fears about economic security fuelling racism, fears about biological determinism fuelling sexism and so on. But I see no such basis behind homophobia - it always just looks like pure, unadulterated hate for the sake of hate.
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Anyone want to explain how the research showed it to be causative not just correlated?

And "Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli." Which would make sense only if there were no guys in the non-homophobic group who found gay porn exciting. From which we could erroneously conclude that the way to cure homosexuality is to overcome any homophobia you have.

In short, this abstract is not making sense.
 
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Pinook wrote:
And "Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli." Which would make sense only if there were no guys in the non-homophobic group who found gay porn exciting.


Sorry, but isn't that exactly what that quote is implying? That only those men labelled as homophobes responded to the gay porn - i.e. none of the others did?

Or have I misunderstood your question?
 
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I've done better than just read the abstract I've read the OP too "Apparently a common causative factor in homophobia ..." !!

Now about their apparent cure for homosexuality - it does look like the sample is farcically small if no non-homophobe men found any excitement in gay porn. Of course the other explanation is that the non-homophobe group was not just selected on basis of "non-homophobe men".

This "conclusion" you mention isn't part of the abstract is it?
I do however have a copy of the WHO secret committee report on this study and it says its a load of cobblers.
 
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MattDP wrote:
Pinook wrote:
And "Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli." Which would make sense only if there were no guys in the non-homophobic group who found gay porn exciting.


Sorry, but isn't that exactly what that quote is implying? That only those men labelled as homophobes responded to the gay porn - i.e. none of the others did?

Or have I misunderstood your question?
I would expect gay and bi- men to respond to the stimulus. If my expectation is reasonable then the question becomes "Why did the non-homophobes group include no even slightly gay or bi men?"

A question for the sexual statisticians amongst us: How big does a randomly selected group of men need to be before there is a 90% chance of getting a bi or gay man in that group?

EDIT: we can give that last question a psych research joke answer, "Infinity! As long as they are all non-homophobes according to Adams, Wright and Lohr"
 
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Pinook wrote:
I would expect gay and bi- men to respond to the stimulus. If my expectation is reasonable then the question becomes "Why did the non-homophobes group include no even slightly gay or bi men?"

Err... in your reading of the abstract, did you make it as far as the first sentence? That's as far as I read, and what I learned was that "the authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men."

I suspect the results of a study on whether gay men respond to gay porn would be somewhat less interesting, which may be why they were excluded from the study.
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Pinook wrote:
I would expect gay and bi- men to respond to the stimulus. If my expectation is reasonable then the question becomes "Why did the non-homophobes group include no even slightly gay or bi men?"

Err... in your reading of the abstract, did you make it as far as the first sentence? That's as far as I read, and what I learned was that "the authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men."

I suspect the results of a study on whether gay men respond to gay porn would be somewhat less interesting, which may be why they were excluded from the study.
I'll admit here and openly that I did miss that. However I'll question how they knew that they were exclusively hetereosexual.

Damn you Khrusty how can I be expected to read qualifying clauses in a psych abstract - its inhumane.
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Pinook wrote:
kuhrusty wrote:
Pinook wrote:
I would expect gay and bi- men to respond to the stimulus. If my expectation is reasonable then the question becomes "Why did the non-homophobes group include no even slightly gay or bi men?"

Err... in your reading of the abstract, did you make it as far as the first sentence? That's as far as I read, and what I learned was that "the authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men."

I suspect the results of a study on whether gay men respond to gay porn would be somewhat less interesting, which may be why they were excluded from the study.
I'll admit here and openly that I did miss that. However I'll question how they knew that they were exclusively hetereosexual.

Damn you Khrusty how can I be expected to read qualifying clauses in a psych abstract - its inhumane.


You'll have to abstract this a little, by all means it's impossible to know surely the sexuality of someone (using any given instrument), so the group is allegedly heterossexual and homophobic. I believe they were looking for homophobic people rather than 100% knowed by everyone all life long heterossexual personality, since it's uncommom to be allegedly homossexual and homophobic. Generally, when this happens, come together religions beliefs and recriminations to justify such behavior.
 
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djgutierrez77 wrote:
Barring evidence to the contrary I just assume everyone who is anti-gay is an unconscionable asshole.

There is rarely any need to to assume this: the proof is provided promptly in most cases.
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bjlillo wrote:
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i always tease homophobes about their motives :p


Does that mean you secretly want to be a homophobe?


Ahh I see that Homophobeophobes are in fact hetrosexual and hate gays.
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
Yay! Confirmation bias!

What's the intention behind this post? Or is it just trolling?
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Simon Mueller wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
Yay! Confirmation bias!

What's the intention behind this post? Or is it just trolling?


Get her!
 
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