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Now that I have your attention, I would like to preach to you about the joys of clipping counters. I know that there have been other disucssions on the topic but here is my testimonial. Although not a "rabid" wargamer I do enjoy them, especially learning the historical aspect of the battle. This is why I enjoy especially the ancient battles. Anyway, while playing Agincourt, the map got extremely crowded with all of the melee battles, deaths, and fugitives. Counters were hard to keep in place, especially in a game such as this where "facing" is important. Having read some other posts on counter clipping, I decided to try it out on this game since there were relatively few counters to clip. So, I took out my exacto knife and started clipping. First, I was surprised how quickly I could actually clip all of the counters. Second, I was amazed how well the counters "fit" on the mapboard now. I then proceeded to clip another counter set for Drive on Washington, which I want to play next. I had played this game a few months back and one of my complaints would be that the mapboard gets extremely crowded in relatively small areas. Now, I look forward to playing it again without that problem.

So, to all of you who were like me and on the fence about clipping, I would say "go for it...you will not be disappointed." I can't say for those games that have almost 1000 counters but it is definitely worth the time for those that I do have.
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More counters - more worth it.
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usrlocal wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen.


No, please, I insist. YouTube video of every counter being clipped so we can all join in the fun. And for heaven's sake, be sure to editorialize the proceedings with plenty of "umms" and "ahhs" and do not under any circumstances write a script or prepare any commentary beforehand.
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I've been considering doing just such a thing. :D
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usrlocal wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen.


Ask and ye shall receive....


(Note a couple of the clippings that I found and included for the picture )

Sorry, no YouTube video, that would be scripting at this point....



(edit for photo size)
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It's enough of a chore punching and trimming the counters without clipping the buggers as well!...for this reason I prefer NOT to buy unpunched second hand games...if they're clipped great but I'M not going to do it...

Confession:I did clip once when the copy of Road to the Rhine I bought off Ebay had had it's counters ripped (not cut) from the trees but the game was so cheap it was worth it...
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Atraxrobustus wrote:
It's enough of a chore punching and trimming the counters without clipping the buggers as well!


I never trimmed before I clipped. Not sure what it involves
if it's much less effort than clipping.
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usrlocal wrote:
Atraxrobustus wrote:
It's enough of a chore punching and trimming the counters without clipping the buggers as well!...for this reason I prefer NOT to buy unpunched second hand games...if they're clipped great but I'M not going to do it...

Confession:I did clip once when the copy of Road to the Rhine I bought off Ebay had had it's counters ripped (not cut) from the trees but the game was so cheap it was worth it...


I myself rip from the trees. But after decades of experience I know how to apply just the right amount of force at just the right angle to not even get corner nubs.

Yes, my counter-fu is strong.



This wonderous mystic power cannot have been obtained any other way than by unnatural 'Faustian' means...been down to the 'crossroads' lately?
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calandale wrote:
Atraxrobustus wrote:
It's enough of a chore punching and trimming the counters without clipping the buggers as well!


I never trimmed before I clipped. Not sure what it involves
if it's much less effort than clipping.


I have a small pair of VERY sharp scissors that I use to seperate counter from tree...trimming of small imperfections is rarely necessary after the first cut...
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Atraxrobustus wrote:
calandale wrote:
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It's enough of a chore punching and trimming the counters without clipping the buggers as well!


I never trimmed before I clipped. Not sure what it involves
if it's much less effort than clipping.


I have a small pair of VERY sharp scissors that I use to seperate counter from tree...trimming of small imperfections is rarely necessary after the first cut...


Ah. That's probably at least as much effort then.
Maybe better results too.
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Phytoman wrote:
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Pictures or it didn't happen.


Ask and ye shall receive....

Clipped counters are less likely to develop HIV.
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Who ARE you?
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Phytoman wrote:

SMOOOOOTH!!!
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“Hello, ladies, look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn’t me, but if he stopped using unclipped counters and switched to clipped counters, he could smell like he’s me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re playing A Victory Lost with the man your man could smell like. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s a monster game with two mini-scenarios about that thing you love. Look again, the counters are now blocks. Anything is possible when your man smells like a counter-clipper. I’m playing La Bataille de Lutzen."


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Hungadunga wrote:
“Hello, ladies, look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn’t me, but if he stopped using unclipped counters and switched to clipped counters, he could smell like he’s me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re playing A Victory Lost with the man your man could smell like. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s a monster game with two mini-scenarios about that thing you love. Look again, the counters are now blocks. Anything is possible when your man smells like a counter-clipper. I’m playing La Bataille de Lutzen."


Yeah, I tried that...

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usrlocal wrote:
I myself rip from the trees. But after decades of experience I know how to apply just the right amount of force at just the right angle to not even get corner nubs.

Yes, my counter-fu is strong.

And for the Non-Clipped gamer, "Counter Condoms" ~ coming soon!*


*oh you know they'll be a hit in Japan:

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NOOOOOOO !!!! I HATE you !!!!!

While subbornly REFUSING to clip my counters but ohhhing and ahhing at all my friends games.......
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Phytoman wrote:
Now that's hardcore step reduction.
Is that two platoons I see in 1326?
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Phytoman wrote:
I would like to preach to you about the joys of clipping counters...
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Although not a "rabid" wargamer...

DOES NOT COMPUTE!


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I'm not a wargamer so obviously I'm not in the know. That said, could you explain how clipping counters (removing a very small part of it) can actually reduce the clutter on the board in any significant amount?
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Corwin1980 wrote:
I'm not a wargamer so obviously I'm not in the know. That said, could you explain how clipping counters (removing a very small part of it) can actually reduce the clutter on the board in any significant amount?

It's an OCD/AR thang ~ you wouldn't understand.*

*FYI: that's a play on an early '90s U.S. pop-subcultural T-shirt phenomenon (be GLAD if you DON'T understand it!)
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usrlocal wrote:
The clippers are too busy clipping to actually play the game.
*rimshot* We're here all week folks. Try the veal!

Miniature wargamers solve that conundrum with insomnia-pumped-up-will-power!
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ok guys, don't get me wrong, but you're all kidding, starting from the OP, aren't you?
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Ozludo wrote:
Phytoman wrote:
I would like to preach to you about the joys of clipping counters...
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Although not a "rabid" wargamer...

DOES NOT COMPUTE!




You are right, I guess now after clipping I might have to reclassify myself as "semi-rabid" since I have not graduated onto the "monster" games (you know which ones I mean,,..)...yet.
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Corwin1980 wrote:
I'm not a wargamer so obviously I'm not in the know. That said, could you explain how clipping counters (removing a very small part of it) can actually reduce the clutter on the board in any significant amount?


That is exactly how I felt until I started to play even what I would call the "simpler" wargames. The edges of the counters do intrude into the adjacent hexes and if you have a lot of counters that are next to one another, those counters can get easily displayed. Also, when moving the counters it is easier to actually get a hold of the counter you want rather than hitting the one beside it and setting off a chain reaction that then ends up disturbing the whole section. That can be very frustrating, which in the end, forced me to try clipping.

And now you know the rest of the story.... (I put that in there for all of you old Paul Harvey fans).
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