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My favorite part was

"Toward the end of the long list of religious prohibitions, the pledge asks candidates to vow to oppose Sharia law because it is a “form of totalitarian control.”" (emphasis added)

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AdrianPHague wrote:
Out of my cold, dead hands!


Outta my warm, sweaty, hairy palmed hand!
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Seriously?

"The vow also insinuates that homosexuality is a choice, and that being gay or lesbian is a public health risk."

WTF? Americans: How close is this woman to actually becoming president? I know the race is a protacted ones of primaries and such, so how far through is she? Is she just getting a lot of press because she got the most extreme bigoted views, but doesn't really stand a chance?
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Seriously?

"The vow also insinuates that homosexuality is a choice, and that being gay or lesbian is a public health risk."

WTF? Americans: How close is this woman to actually becoming president? I know the race is a protacted ones of primaries and such, so how far through is she? Is she just getting a lot of press because she got the most extreme bigoted views, but doesn't really stand a chance?


Welcome to Jesus land. Bachmann is a glorified Sarah Palin and yes, she gets a lot of press because of her "extreme bigoted" views and some hella ignorant and downright bizarre quotes.

She's too right of center to win the presidency, I think. That fanaticism will turn off too many moderate voters.


Even though she's certainly way off on the right, it's sad that she's getting consideration as a serious candidate. She's extremist and generally crazy, but she's not being treated like a joke the way Trump was. There is a chance, albeit a small one, that she could make a real run. That terrifies me.

Then again, I read a news story yesterday about a guy in Florida savagely beating a mentally disabled adult at a Publix store because the mentally challenged individual made a comment on this asshole's University of Georgia t-shirt, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the NASCAR belt might support someone like Bachmann. If she was from Alabama instead of Minnesota I think she'd already be leading a second civil war.
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My favorite part was

"Toward the end of the long list of religious prohibitions, the pledge asks candidates to vow to oppose Sharia law because it is a “form of totalitarian control.”" (emphasis added)



My reaction exactly.
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Greendan wrote:
Seriously?

"The vow also insinuates that homosexuality is a choice, and that being gay or lesbian is a public health risk."

WTF? Americans: How close is this woman to actually becoming president? I know the race is a protacted ones of primaries and such, so how far through is she? Is she just getting a lot of press because she got the most extreme bigoted views, but doesn't really stand a chance?


More women voted in the 2008 election than men and so the Republicans are going to try as many angles as possible. MB can deliver a vastly more articulate speech than Sarah Palin, while also having a similar folksy twang in her voice. She is also a champion of the Tea Party so you've got a lot of hard core activists ready to back her up.

It's too early to say anything on the elections, but I can see her at least getting in some of the top spots in the first few primary states. The US still has to deliver the social landmark of a female President and it really wouldn't surprise me if the Republicans are the ones that will pull it off, despite the intense irony of that achievement.
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Every knows homosexuality is causing global warming. All that hot girl-on-girl action is overheating the atmosphere. IT MUST BE STOP!
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Greendan wrote:
Seriously?

"The vow also insinuates that homosexuality is a choice, and that being gay or lesbian is a public health risk."

WTF? Americans: How close is this woman to actually becoming president? I know the race is a protacted ones of primaries and such, so how far through is she? Is she just getting a lot of press because she got the most extreme bigoted views, but doesn't really stand a chance?


Michelle Bachmann doesn't stand much of a chance. Most of the country knows she's a complete tool.

The bigger problem we have is that the news media pays any attention to her or Palin. Our news is become about ratings, not news. The amount of airtime given to Bachmann and the Caylee Anthony trial dwarfs the airtime given to what our president is currently doing, what bills are moving in congress, and how our troops are doing overseas combined.
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Seriously?

"The vow also insinuates that homosexuality is a choice, and that being gay or lesbian is a public health risk."

WTF? Americans: How close is this woman to actually becoming president? I know the race is a protacted ones of primaries and such, so how far through is she? Is she just getting a lot of press because she got the most extreme bigoted views, but doesn't really stand a chance?


Michelle Bachmann doesn't stand much of a chance. Most of the country knows she's a complete tool.


Heck, even in MN where she was elected, we think she's horrifying. Basically she represents the district full of old, religious, retired farmers... 30 miles away people are putting signs for the opposition in their yards even though they couldn't even vote for them!
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Greendan wrote:
Seriously?

"The vow also insinuates that homosexuality is a choice, and that being gay or lesbian is a public health risk."

WTF? Americans: How close is this woman to actually becoming president? I know the race is a protacted ones of primaries and such, so how far through is she? Is she just getting a lot of press because she got the most extreme bigoted views, but doesn't really stand a chance?


Michelle Bachmann doesn't stand much of a chance. Most of the country knows she's a complete tool.


Heck, even in MN where she was elected, we think she's horrifying. Basically she represents the district full of old, religious, retired farmers... 30 miles away people are putting signs for the opposition in their yards even though they couldn't even vote for them!


So, what doesn't compute here - people in MN think she is horrible, but she got elected by the people of MN, so more people in MN apparently didn't think she was horrible. I wouldn't assume "most of the country" knows she is a tool. Frankly, most of the country doesn't know her at all.
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What's surprising to me is that the Intrade contract for her to win the Republican nomination stands at $1.80, which implies a roughly 18% chance. I would have guessed it would be at single digits.
 
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Heck, even in MN where she was elected, we think she's horrifying. Basically she represents the district full of old, religious, retired farmers... 30 miles away people are putting signs for the opposition in their yards even though they couldn't even vote for them!


So, what doesn't compute here - people in MN think she is horrible, but she got elected by the people of MN, so more people in her district MN apparently didn't think she was horrible. I wouldn't assume "most of the country" knows she is a tool. Frankly, most of the country doesn't know her at all.


Fixed that for you.

Bachmann is very popular in some segments which is enough to win that district and apparently has a modest chance of being enough to win the primary. I'd put her chances at being POTUS pretty close to zero.
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She coasted to victory by almost 13 percentage points last November against Tarryl Clark, who raised over $4 million. It was a lot easier than the 2008 challenge from former MnDOT commissioner El Tinklenberg.

Poor Tarryl was so dispirited that she announced in early May that she'd be moving to Duluth to take on Chip Cravaack (who unseated long-time incumbent Jim Oberstar) in the 8th District in 2012. Even though Bachmann can't campaign for her seat while actively running for President, she'll still breeze to reelection in the 6th when her Presidential bid is scuppered.
 
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What's surprising to me is that the Intrade contract for her to win the Republican nomination stands at $1.80, which implies a roughly 18% chance. I would have guessed it would be at single digits.


She may be a crazy person, but she's a smart and diligent campaigner: she's Sarah Palin except that she isn't lazy and loves working the campaign trail.

On top of that, she's got a very strong chance to take Iowa (especially if you think most of the remaining Palin vote will drift to her if/when Palin announces she isn't running) and recent polls show her placing respectably in New Hampshire; given that afterwards the Republican primary calendar next features South Carolina (where the primary is dominated by the fundy wing of the party) and Nevada (where it's split 50-50 between fundies and Mormons), there is at present a small but reasonable chance that she could win the first four "real" primaries, and a very solid chance that she wins two of them. And given that GOP primaries are winner-take-all, whoever gets the early momentum tends to win the whole thing.
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Heck, even in MN where she was elected, we think she's horrifying. Basically she represents the district full of old, religious, retired farmers... 30 miles away people are putting signs for the opposition in their yards even though they couldn't even vote for them!


So, what doesn't compute here - people in MN think she is horrible, but she got elected by the people of MN, so more people in her district MN apparently didn't think she was horrible. I wouldn't assume "most of the country" knows she is a tool. Frankly, most of the country doesn't know her at all.


Fixed that for you.

Bachmann is very popular in some segments which is enough to win that district and apparently has a modest chance of being enough to win the primary. I'd put her chances at being POTUS pretty close to zero.


Yup, HER DISTRICT voted her in... I felt bad for Tarryl as well. Seemed nice enough, just not as aggressive or as compelling a speaker. Honestly she wouldn't have had a chance if she had run most other parts of the state.

Squeeky wheel gets the grease, and she's oh so very sqeaky.
 
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hmm.. Godwin's rule enacted at only the third comment on that news article.

seriously, I hope this psycho gets in any sort of serious power, having her in such a position would likely be dangerous for sooo many reasons.

oh, and

"vow to oppose Sharia law because it is a form of totalitarian control"..

isn't the rest of the 'rules' you have in that list pretty much totalitarian control...? yes, we're going to stop totalitarianism by BANNING EVERYTHING THAT WE DONT LIKE!!! this woman makes the pope look like willy wonka..
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If Bachman ever gets any kind of threat, the big guns will come out, the links to her craziness (and religious wacko) will come out, and it will be game over for her.

She is only going to be politically relevant for a short time in this race - she's simply too far right-of-center for America today.

However, she makes me VERY glad she didn't run 25 years ago - THAT could have made for a very ugly chance that her radical viewpoints may have found more solid footing and she could have done a lot of damage back then.

For example, what if she had run as the GOP VP instead of Geraldine Ferraro did as the Dem VP? (just simplistically reversing the party's roles)
 
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However, she makes me VERY glad she didn't run 25 years ago - THAT could have made for a very ugly chance that her radical viewpoints may have found more solid footing and she could have done a lot of damage back then.


You're assuming that the Republican party was more conservative in the 80s than it is today, which is just wrong; it's gotten more conservative, not less. Michelle Bachmann is considerably to the right of Barry Goldwater, who was the poster child for unelectability in the GOP following his Presidential losses. Michelle Bachmann, in the 80s, wouldn't have gotten so much as her House seat.
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However, she makes me VERY glad she didn't run 25 years ago - THAT could have made for a very ugly chance that her radical viewpoints may have found more solid footing and she could have done a lot of damage back then.


You're assuming that the Republican party was more conservative in the 80s than it is today, which is just wrong; it's gotten more conservative, not less. Michelle Bachmann is considerably to the right of Barry Goldwater, who was the poster child for unelectability in the GOP following his Presidential losses. Michelle Bachmann, in the 80s, wouldn't have gotten so much as her House seat.


Even Reagan wasn't as conservative as Bachmann.

I still think that Perry trumps Bachmann. He's able to say much of the same things as Bachmann, but he's better at it. He can say crazy things and still appear somewhat moderate.

Conventional Wisdom (Austin Chronicle, Austin Statesman) in Austin now is that he's running.

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I don't understand the whole "Sharia law" thing. Wouldn't it be unconstitutional to try to enforce with the separation of church & state?
 
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Even Reagan wasn't as conservative as Bachmann.


You can say that about practically everybody running for the GOP nomination except Romney and Huntsman, and they're willing to pretend they're uberconservative to get primary votes.

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I still think that Perry trumps Bachmann. He's able to say much of the same things as Bachmann, but he's better at it. He can say crazy things and still appear somewhat moderate.


I don't think that'll work nearly as well when he's on a national level. In Texas you can say crazy shit all the time because it's Texas and most of the rest of the country won't pay attention. The few times Perry's gone national, it's been for crazy and/or evil shit (Cameron Todd Willingham's execution, the secession comments, praying for rain, etc.) and the response has been wildly negative.
 
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I don't understand the whole "Sharia law" thing. Wouldn't it be unconstitutional to try to enforce with the separation of church & state?


Well, that depends.

If you're saying "wouldn't it be illegal for them to ban sharia law," then yes and no. You could feasibly ban private legal systems and enterprises, but then you're going to have to ban, for example, halakha law as well, and I doubt the Jewish portion of America would much approve of that. (To say nothing of a lot of private, closed arbitration, which big business Would Not Like.) But specifically targeting sharia law? I doubt that would fly under the first amendment.

If you're asking whether the first amendment doesn't prevent sharia law from working, then the answer to that is also no.
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