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I am really glad that the Republican Party is finally starting to recommend some sensible measures to get big government off of our backs. Privatizing Social Security and Medicare will mean that people will no longer be forced into a Ponzi Scheme. It will take a while for those programs to go forward and win but we need to think bigger and more critically. The thing that allows big government to oppress us is the control of the military by the federal government.

In the early days of the Republic each state controlled its own militia. Even today the National Guard has units controlled by the individual states. The problem is that the states dont really control the units they have too good even though they man and pay for them. Since the federal government can take these units and federalize them and use them against their own state in theory their is always the possibility of a second American Civil War of brother vs. brother and father vs. son. With the President having a standing army that he can what he likes with we are always in danger of getting into wars under the leadership of incompetent idiots. LBJ got us into Vietnam, got 60,000 men killed all while pandiring by giving away more things to poor people to excuse the slaughter. Clinton put our troops into Africa and he got our Special Forces slaughtered. Obama didnt learn from Bush that Afghastan is unwinable and has thrown more troops in to get killed and waste money. Presidents shouldnt be commander in chief if they dont know a thing about military matters.

Many statist "thinkers" claim that it is impossible to privatize the military and that it would render it ineffective. They are too caught up in the myth of FDR to think clear. Every thing that we in America have ever privatized or every time there is a private and a public organization that do the same thing the private one is always better. UPS beats the Post Office, private prisons are better than state and federal prisons, American car companies make better cars than state companies did in the USSR, etc. Private ownership makes people feel responsible and makes them more likely to make wise management decisions. My problem with most manestream conservatives is that they rail against Big Government while wanting to grow the military which in its current form is one of the biggest parts of Big Government. The government defends some bad officers and lets them command and keeps around some soldiers who arent up to standard. Government contracts are inefficient and reward political friends and waste time testing things over and over for 20 years instead of the 1 or 2 you actually need. We can not only privatize our military but make it better.

Hear is how it works:

Military Academys:
-Privatize them and let them run like regular universitys that produce soldiers.
-Academy and ROTC grads will have commissions with the kind of recognized authority of legal tender and can apply for openings with units anywhere in the country.
-People with commissions can form their own security forces and either work at home or go abroad to gain experience that they can later use to defend their country.

Army and Marines:
-Sell individual weapons and vehicles like tanks to wealthy citizens who are willing to pay the maintenance on the vehicle and come to serve America in a time of crisis. As the owner of the tank or weapon they can choose to lead it or use it in person or appoint someone to go in their stead if they are getting older like me.
-For units like platoons, companys, battalions, brigades, and divisions you can have those led by various ways. You can have co-ops of individual owners who form associations and agree to fight together as a whole. You could form a corporation not-for-profit for this purpose. Or you could have one of America's corporate citizens fund a unit for the good of the nation.
-Funding will come from a sales tax in the region where the unit is located.
-Each unit of a division or larger will not be station in just one state but at borders so 2 or 3 states so that they will be loyal to America and not to a state like New York.
-Large units will have councils of the owners who will then make decisions on training, supplies and leadership positions being able to appoint their own or hire outside talent.
-There will be areas set aside for training and units will meet once a year to practice for a couple of weeks to stay efficient. Individuals will be responsible for their own personal training.
-Units along the U.S. southern border could receive a 1% national sales tax to fund their ceaseless patrol war. This is Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas.

Navy
-For small ships like transports, gun boats, and destroyers, you can have individual owners and co-ops.
-For larger ships like cruisers, battleships, and aircraft carriers, you can use new or existing corporate sponsorship.
-Local sales taxes can pay for the docking fees of these vessels and private arbitors can insure that dock owners are not abused but also that ships are docked.
-Submarines should have to have all professional crews since they are hard to use.
-Navy aircraft could be owned by different people even if they operate on someone else's carrier.
-Since ships are such big units there leaders can decide to join other battle groups but to do this they have to move docks and set up a new local sales tax in their new area.
-Some large cities with extra money could fund a ship but it would be better to keep things as private as possible to avoid tyranny. No land units for cities for that reason.

Air Force
-Get fighters and bombers designed by the Swedish which can use roads as well as runways.
-Privately fund planes and squadrons with individual owners and corporations.
-Have a rotation where thier is always a active fighter wing to patrol the sky so you could have a profit-sharing system among the air corporations.
-Get good rental discounts at airports to store planes.
-Local taxs to support vehicle maintenance.
-Contract aircraft maintenance to airline companys that dont allow unions to save money and do it efficiently with professionals.
-Simulators to save on training costs.
-Rotation will keep all planes and pilots in practice.

Administration
-No corrupt government contractors in a private system since people stand to lose money directly.
-No long development projects of crappy weapons like the V-22.
-Get newer high-tech equipment faster.
-Different units can meet thier own local needs better.
-To buy new equipment save up profit from company and invest it on new hardware- this will be done because maintaining old tanks and planes will eventually cost more than buying new ones.
-If a owner, corporation, or co-op isnt doing a good job then the states where the unit is can call for them to lose there contract but it is more likely that the other shareholders will not want to see their men and material get destroyed and their country embarassed so they will choose a better general.
-Cost-saving listed above will allow us to have more troops in a time of war with more supplies, better weapons, better morale and better leaders.

I think that settles most of the details but I am still working on a few others. If we push for this end to Big Government and take away the instrument of tyranny then I think that we can get this done in about 20-30 years if we start calling for it now.
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philipwalker35 wrote:
Army and Marines:
-Sell individual weapons and vehicles like tanks to wealthy citizens who are willing to pay the maintenance on the vehicle and come to serve America in a time of crisis. As the owner of the tank or weapon they can choose to lead it or use it in person or appoint someone to go in their stead if they are getting older like me.
-For units like platoons, companys, battalions, brigades, and divisions you can have those led by various ways. You can have co-ops of individual owners who form associations and agree to fight together as a whole. You could form a corporation not-for-profit for this purpose. Or you could have one of America's corporate citizens fund a unit for the good of the nation.
-Funding will come from a sales tax in the region where the unit is located.

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I was pretty sure this was going to be a joke until I saw all the details.

I highly doubt that there are many rich individuals out there interested in buying, crewing and maintaining tanks, let alone aircraft carriers
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I highly doubt that there are any rich individuals out there interested in buying, crewing and maintaining tanks, let alone aircraft carriers


On the contrary, there are many of them across the world. Unfortunately, they tend to realize that taking contracts to protect people is much less lucrative than "protecting" people, and then blowing up other people.
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I highly doubt that there are any rich individuals out there interested in buying, crewing and maintaining tanks, let alone aircraft carriers


On the contrary, there are many of them across the world. Unfortunately, they tend to realize that taking contracts to protect people is much less lucrative than "protecting" people, and then blowing up other people.


Good point - I guess I meant people that were interested in buying them so as to contribute to a collective defense
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You can only privatize, for better or worse, government agencies that have income. The Military does not make any money. Why would anyone want to maintain an expensive ship like a guided missile cruiser when it doesn't make them any money at all?

Not to mention, you take the military out of the hands of the "big bad government" with it's , admittedly crappy, oversight and give it to "big bad corporations" who have no oversight and will use any corporate asset they have to make a profit, especially an asset that costs them millions to maintain. Do you really want the same people who hide behind paperwork and company policy that puts old people on the street, deny children healthcare and cover up deadly product deficiencies, to have access to weapons of mass destruction? I'm not even talk about nukes. A small African country giving you grief about regulations and access to their natural resources? Send in the the 3rd CocaCola Mechanized Brigade and seize their government. If the government doesn't have any muscle, what's to stop a few companies who have the most military investment from seizing their own lawless federal zones inside the U.S. and starting a corporate utopia?

No, I don't think it's smart to take the guns from the government and give them to one of the main antagonists the government protects us from.
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Isn´t it scary that we can´t actually be sure whether this is satire or not?

Which makes it satirical on a whole new level, I suppose.
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The British army was almost run this way. It did not really work then and I fail to see why it would work now. If you want Raglans and Lucans in charge of you soldires go for it.
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mightygodking wrote:
toku42 wrote:
I highly doubt that there are any rich individuals out there interested in buying, crewing and maintaining tanks, let alone aircraft carriers


On the contrary, there are many of them across the world. Unfortunately, they tend to realize that taking contracts to protect people is much less lucrative than "protecting" people, and then blowing up other people.


Moreover how much will they charge in wartime? will the cost go up?
 
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You can only privatize, for better or worse, government agencies that have income. The Military does not make any money. Why would anyone want to maintain an expensive ship like a guided missile cruiser when it doesn't make them any money at all?

Not to mention, you take the military out of the hands of the "big bad government" with it's , admittedly crappy, oversight and give it to "big bad corporations" who have no oversight and will use any corporate asset they have to make a profit, especially an asset that costs them millions to maintain. Do you really want the same people who hide behind paperwork and company policy that puts old people on the street, deny children healthcare and cover up deadly product deficiencies, to have access to weapons of mass destruction? I'm not even talk about nukes. A small African country giving you grief about regulations and access to their natural resources? Send in the the 3rd CocaCola Mechanized Brigade and seize their government. If the government doesn't have any muscle, what's to stop a few companies who have the most military investment from seizing their own lawless federal zones inside the U.S. and starting a corporate utopia?

No, I don't think it's smart to take the guns from the government and give them to one of the main antagonists the government protects us from.


You can just imagine a hedge fund seeling off all the kit of the 3rd Cav and then selling it on just before a war. Who is going to re-equip it?
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bjlillo wrote:
You're not thinking big enough. It would be pretty easy to make the military profitable.


A rolling series of invasions of weaker countries under suitable pretences allowing you to gain control their resources could be very profitable.

Wait a minute....


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bjlillo wrote:
TheChin! wrote:
You can only privatize, for better or worse, government agencies that have income. The Military does not make any money. Why would anyone want to maintain an expensive ship like a guided missile cruiser when it doesn't make them any money at all?


You're not thinking big enough. It would be pretty easy to make the military profitable.


By hiring them out as mercenaries?
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Stirlingmoomoo wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
You're not thinking big enough. It would be pretty easy to make the military profitable.


A series of rolling invasions of weaker countries under suitable pretences allowing you to gain control their resources could be very profitable.

Wait a minute....


Yeah, rolling into Iraq sure got the USA plenty of free oil! Did you know, in America today, because of our invasion of Iraq, we get FREE gas for our cars! FREE! And, with our invasion of Afghanistan, we get FREE heroin! FREE, I tell you! Yes siree, those invasions sure were profitable for this nation and its lucky citizens! With any luck, we will invade Iran and all get free carpeting! shake
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If you want Raglans and Lucans in charge of you soldires go for it.
We get more rousing poetry that way!

Anyway after The Bush and Cheney Show I think there are always Lucans and Raglans lurking in the woodwork, waiting for the call to run amok.
 
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desertfox2004 wrote:
Stirlingmoomoo wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
You're not thinking big enough. It would be pretty easy to make the military profitable.


A series of rolling invasions of weaker countries under suitable pretences allowing you to gain control their resources could be very profitable.

Wait a minute....


Yeah, rolling into Iraq sure got the USA plenty of free oil! Did you know, in America today, because of our invasion of Iraq, we get FREE gas for our cars! FREE! And, with our invasion of Afghanistan, we get FREE heroin! FREE, I tell you! Yes siree, those invasions sure were profitable for this nation and its lucky citizens! With any luck, we will invade Iran and all get free carpeting! :shake:


Well you could alwys try and get otehr countires to pay for them.
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Pinook wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
If you want Raglans and Lucans in charge of you soldires go for it.
We get more rousing poetry that way!

Anyway after The Bush and Cheney Show I think there are always Lucans and Raglans lurking in the woodwork, waiting for the call to run amok.


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I see no possible downside to Enron having their own carrier group.

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I see no possible downside to Enron having their own carrier group.

+1 sock puppet points for thumbing your own post.


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desertfox2004 wrote:
Stirlingmoomoo wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
You're not thinking big enough. It would be pretty easy to make the military profitable.


A series of rolling invasions of weaker countries under suitable pretences allowing you to gain control their resources could be very profitable.

Wait a minute....


Yeah, rolling into Iraq sure got the USA plenty of free oil! Did you know, in America today, because of our invasion of Iraq, we get FREE gas for our cars! FREE! And, with our invasion of Afghanistan, we get FREE heroin! FREE, I tell you! Yes siree, those invasions sure were profitable for this nation and its lucky citizens! With any luck, we will invade Iran and all get free carpeting! shake


Not my fault your previous government was too incompetent to carry out the plan successfully.
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desertfox2004 wrote:
Stirlingmoomoo wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
You're not thinking big enough. It would be pretty easy to make the military profitable.


A series of rolling invasions of weaker countries under suitable pretences allowing you to gain control their resources could be very profitable.

Wait a minute....


Yeah, rolling into Iraq sure got the USA plenty of free oil! Did you know, in America today, because of our invasion of Iraq, we get FREE gas for our cars! FREE! And, with our invasion of Afghanistan, we get FREE heroin! FREE, I tell you! Yes siree, those invasions sure were profitable for this nation and its lucky citizens! With any luck, we will invade Iran and all get free carpeting! shake


I seem to recall that for a while during the Iraq war, oil companies were making record profits.

Not that the two are necessarily related though....
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I highly doubt that there are many rich individuals out there interested in buying, crewing and maintaining tanks, let alone aircraft carriers


Under this system the rich wont be getting taxed to death and they can choose to be charitible to their community by maintaining America's military. Without heavy tax we would all have more money and the economy would grow and wages would increase so the rich and even the middle class could contribute out of their love of country.
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Think of all the lawsuits.
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You can only privatize, for better or worse, government agencies that have income. The Military does not make any money. Why would anyone want to maintain an expensive ship like a guided missile cruiser when it doesn't make them any money at all?


The military is a money drain because it is stretched to thin and also because it is run by the government which only consumes without producing. They would do it out of patriotic duty and to prevent government from coming back to take it over again. They could pay for it cheaper personally than if they had to pay exorbitent taxes. Having government out of the way would also be good for companys and workers so that unions wouldnt be stealing money from businesses while taking the money of workers only to limit there wages and stop them from getting promoted on merit.

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Not to mention, you take the military out of the hands of the "big bad government" with it's , admittedly crappy, oversight and give it to "big bad corporations" who have no oversight and will use any corporate asset they have to make a profit, especially an asset that costs them millions to maintain. Do you really want the same people who hide behind paperwork and company policy that puts old people on the street, deny children healthcare and cover up deadly product deficiencies, to have access to weapons of mass destruction? I'm not even talk about nukes. A small African country giving you grief about regulations and access to their natural resources? Send in the the 3rd CocaCola Mechanized Brigade and seize their government. If the government doesn't have any muscle, what's to stop a few companies who have the most military investment from seizing their own lawless federal zones inside the U.S. and starting a corporate utopia?


This is very typical of the liberal brainless hatred of corporations. Where does everything that you own come from? Where do you shop? Think about it. War is expensive and corporations do not waist money. Going into Africa would be stupid because there is no money there. As for oversight it is worthless anyway and it wouldnt be needed since the principles of the Free Market do not allow for monopoly. Therefore if one or two companys tryed to set up a government everyone else would attack them. Not to mention that the common people would form militias and take away any profit motive with gorilla fighting.

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No, I don't think it's smart to take the guns from the government and give them to one of the main antagonists the government protects us from.


So yeah lets give Big Government big guns thats smart. We know government uses guns to kill people and enforce its will on others taking away their rights and freedom. How many companys have passed bills about what you can say or do and then added that if you dont do it you will go to jail?





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The British Army that ran that way defeated the totalitarian army of the dictator Napoleon even though they didnt have as many men. The system cant be that bad. Speaking of the British they had a standing army and they get destroyed in the American Revolution. Localized armys of the people under their natural leaders work best.

Yes if the commander and shareholders all agree to serve as mercenarys then they can. That way American troops can do peacekeeping if it is actually needed but it will not be without sacrifice so we wont do it over dumb things like Libya.
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