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Hi,

as per the title really only thing is I've never purchased sleeves before so which should I get for rftg. Mayday premium or standard ? or even penny one's

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I don't know that RftG NEEDS sleeves. The cards get shuffled like twice a game and they're the nice woven textured cards like a casino quality poker deck.

It's not like they're Dominion cards that are smooth print on light card stock and getting shuffled eight or a dozen times a game...


That said, if you really feel a need to sleeve, I've always found the Mayday regular sleeves sufficient for Dominion, so in the appropriate size they should be plenty for RftG.
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I bought more "premium" sleeves to sleeve just the action/role cards. these cards get handled a lot more than the normal cards, and sleeving them helps keep them separated / identified easily when setting up.
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I always use premium.

The penny and regular sleeves don't shuffle as well because the plastic is much thinner and tends to wrinkle and bend.

You might not want to sleeve them and as someone else said it's not a deckbuilder so there is less shuffling. But if you are going to sleeve at least get the good ones.
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Cheap sleeves are never worth it in the end. Go with Premium where possible.

Sleeves from Fantasy Flight Games are good too, as are the Mayday Premium.

I know people who didn't sleeve their set and the cards are now showing serious signs of wear. If you are planning to play it regularly, sleeving will mean your cards will last for many years.
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My game group have gone through three sets of regular sleeves with this game. I have not used premium sleeves and don't know how much longer they would last, but consider this:

Yes, the shuffle frequency is roughly 3-4 times per game (once to start, once to shuffle in excess start worlds, then 1-2 reshuffles during the game). However, considering this is a fast (and highly addictive game), the wear and tear goes up after the roughly 5 to 10 games we'd play per day.

My personal opinion is that any game that uses a random card mechanic is worth protecting, as the moment the cards get marked and scuffed, they're no good any more.
 
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Also something to keep in mind, though 2-3 shuffles per game might not seem like much, in actuality each shuffle is some 15 full riffle shuffles, which is enormous and a lot of wear.
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nickbolton wrote:
Go with Premium where possible.


Personally I find cheaper sleeves are better in the long run, as long as they are a decent size (i.e., not too loose). They break more often than premium, but premium sleeves break too. Since they cost much less individually, it works out to less money in the long term to buy cheap sleeves and replace them.

The Mayday regulars are a nice sleeve. I haven't tried their penny sleeve, but it looks promising since it is a close fit for a North American card, unlike most penny sleeves.
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The game is definitely worth sleeving for 100+ plays; the cards can get pretty nasty at that point. For 20 plays, it's not needed.
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s1mon wrote:
Hi,

as per the title really only thing is I've never purchased sleeves before so which should I get for rftg. Mayday premium or standard ? or even penny one's

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Well, you're already dead set on sleeves, but I would like to chime in to others that I would recommend sleeving RftG. My unsleeved copy accumulated enough "dirt"/grime on it that in the end, I preferred the feel of plastic sleeves to that "bumpiness" over the cards. And yeah, the wear wasn't as heavy as Dominion can be, but it was still enough to warrant me to sleeve my 2nd copy of RftG.


As for standard vs. Premiums, I sprung for std. Reasons include:
1) I usually play with all 3 exp, so I didn't want the deck to be so high that it would fall over. You could separate it out into 2 draw decks, but that could get confusing.
2) I really did want to save the $$. The sleeves felt "flimsy", but it's still enough to protect the cards. They "wrinkle" faster (or supposedly I"m told, given preimiums should be more stable/"harder" since being thicker gives them that attribute), but OTOH, I have more sleeves available ot replace it if need be. Only did it about 6 times so far.
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I find premium sleeves too rigid.
Even the sharp corners are so rigid, that during shuffle I sometimes cut my finger. So I prefer standard sleeves, but I admit that I have to change them sometimes.
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What do people here think about the quality of Mayday PREMIUM compared to the Ultrapro/Dragonshield sleeves? I asked this question in the general forums as well, but did not get too many replies.

Basically I'm used to Ultra Pro sleeves, but the clear ones seem to be out of stock everywhere else currently, so I'm on the lookout for replacements and am thinking about Mayday Premium.
 
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I've used MayDay Premium sleeves and am very happy with them. I haven't used any other brands, but I have also used MayDay Standard sleeves on my RftG cards.

The Premium sleeves are an excellent fit, and I like the stiffness they add to the cards (decreasing player's tendancies to curl the cards or to scrape their fingernails along the edges).

The Standard sleeves were more transparent, but they did seem to have a looser feel to them--they bellied more, if you understand what I mean.

A downside with the Premium sleeves: after 20 games or so, some whitish specks of dirt/sleeve dust/finger grime (I don't know which) have slid down through the tops of the sleeves and show up against the dark background of the cards. (I imagine this happens with all sleeves and is most apparent with dark cards.)

The deck with all three expansions does fall over, so I actually keep it in two to three stacks. (Me, I never care which stack people draw from, because random is random. In fact we often split draw decks so people don't have to reach so far to draw cards. Shoot, I wouldn't even mind it if someone wanted to re-shuffle the remaining draw deck mid-way through a game if for some reason they "sensed" some bias. For random is random.)
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Smash62bill wrote:
The deck with all three expansions does fall over, so I actually keep it in two to three stacks.

I think the game plays much better with 2 draw stacks anyway. That way you don't have 2-4 ppl fighting for one deck for explore etc.
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entranced wrote:
Smash62bill wrote:
The deck with all three expansions does fall over, so I actually keep it in two to three stacks.

I think the game plays much better with 2 draw stacks anyway. That way you don't have 2-4 ppl fighting for one deck for explore etc.
Hell, one of my fellow gamers mentioned that you could play 2 concurrent games of RftG at once.... you have enough goals for them, and enough action cards for many, smaller # of players. Of course, purists don't like the possibility that a card or 10 are in the other deck and completely inaccessible.
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ackmondual wrote:
Hell, one of my fellow gamers mentioned that you could play 2 concurrent games of RftG at once.... you have enough goals for them, and enough action cards for many, smaller # of players.

Now that's just crazy talk! ;)

It would add a metagame, hmm Bobby's hand in the other game has all the 8/8's and 9/9's, switching strategy!
 
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