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Matthew Harkness
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Be honest with me now fellow BGGers. I have Le Havre and I love it, and I'm wondering whether I should get Agricola. Is it worth owning both? Do they have sufficient differences such that I should own both? How do they compare really? Your honest opinions would be much appreciated...
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Matthew Watson
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I have both, and I think they are VERY different.

I like both of them a lot - but they are so different I don't know if I could say that you would like Agricola just because you like Le Havre, but I should imagine that you've read enough about Agricola to be able to tell, yourself.

In any case, rest assured that they are quite different.
 
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Kelly Krieble
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Disclaimer: I own Le Havre, but not Agricola. I have played both but like Le Havre better.

Here are my comparisons:
It feels like you are constructing something more so in Agricola than Le Havre

In Agricola, actions are everything. You need to grow your family. In Le Havre, everyone gets the same number of actions - which seems fairer to me. First one to expand in Agricola has a big advantage.

Food - not having enough in Agricola can CRIPPLE you. It's just a minor annoyance in Le Havre.

Resources - good variety in each game, but I like the upgraded ones in Le Havre and trying to get those upgrades.

Player interaction - kinda the same amount IMHO.

Better variety of buildings and options in Le Havre.

Cards - the minor improvements and occupations you are dealt in the beginning can have a HUGE impact on the game in Agricola. I don't care what anyone else says, if you're dealt CRAP you are really behind the 8 ball. In Le Havre, everyone starts equally.

Le Havre plays longer than Agricola, though the "short version" can be played to alleviate the time constraint.

Player turn order can change in Agricola, which I like. In Le Havre it never changes.

Both games have expansions, but I like the Farmers expansion in Agricola. It really adds a lot.
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Christian Straub
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Different? Very much so. Having done it the other way around - I found Le Havre very relaxing when compared with Agricola. While Le Havre is a lot of "how much can I do before the game ends", Agricola is more "how can I get everything done before the game ends".

Yes, you have harvests and animals multiply and you have to "feed", but really I think they are very different games.

Both are fun. Given how highly ranked Agricola is and the fact that a lot of people enjoy both games, it sounds like you will too.
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Aaron G
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I own both games and think they are both great, but I prefer Le Havre. Both games are fun, but for different reasons. When playing Agricola you have to a little of everything. In Le Havre you can choose to specialize. The biggest difference is that playing Agricola you have to choose the best out of a group of bad choices* whereas playing Le Havre you have to choose the best out of a group of good choices.

(* What I mean by bad choices is that you never have enough time to do everything you want to do)
 
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Tony Chen
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Yes.

I dislike both.
 
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Joshua Woolls
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We have both and love both. Someone already summed it up well for me. Agricola feels much tighter and less forgiving. Le Havre feels a little less frantic. They do feel a little similar. I can tell am not surprised they are designed by the same person. But not so much that Iwould only want one.

Joshua
 
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Matt Riddle
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Le javre is waaaay longer. Both good though.
 
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Nick ChemE
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While still relatively new to the scene, it was Agricola that got me here. I bought it based on Amazon reviews and wondered what else was out there. I have Le Havre as well and enjoy both but they are completely different experiences. The absolute beauty of Agricola is the cards. While it is true that a bad hand can doom you, I find that it rarely happens. I am usually analyzing what I have to best lay out my strategy to where my card strengths are. I do not have that feeling in Le Havre, but it is good for reasons you obviously know. The question is will those of us with Agricola and Le Havre need to get Ora et Labora (sp?) When released?
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Gary Bacchus
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Pododub wrote:
We have both and love both. Someone already summed it up well for me. Agricola feels much tighter and less forgiving. Le Havre feels a little less frantic. They do feel a little similar. I can tell am not surprised they are designed by the same person. But not so much that Iwould only want one.

Joshua


GROGnads is that you? You've gone monochromatic!
 
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Lee Fisher
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Personally after I played Le Havre, I have little interest in Agricola.

Le Havre has more interaction and isn't mostly about what cards are dealt.
 
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Jarvis
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I love them both, but they are certainly distinct from each other.

This may differ for others, but for me, these games come out in different situations.

-Le Havre I prefer with 2-3 people, and in my experience, it is harder to learn for a new player. I believe this is because it is difficult, if not impossible, to see the way the end-game will work on your first play.

-Agricola I enjoy with 2-4 people, and is easier for a new player to learn (in my opinion). The option of the family game is there. Fortunately, there is plenty of depth as well.

I hope you try it out!
 
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Rob Doupe
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chrstr wrote:
While Le Havre is a lot of "how much can I do before the game ends", Agricola is more "how can I get everything done before the game ends".


This pretty much sums it up.

Agricola has a constricted path to victory. You know what you have to accomplish, and you have to do it efficiently and without making a disasterous error.

In Le Havre, you have a broad range of choices and strategies to pursue. It's still about efficiency, but it has a more open feel.

I dislike Agricola, and I'm a big fan of Le Havre. So yes, it is possible you may not like Agricola. I highly recommend trying it first.
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