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Kelsey Rinella
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The cashier at Carter's (a baby/youngster clothier) today offered my children a sticker each, in their choice of pink or blue, saying "I {heart} mommy".

At least it wasn't in Comic Sans.
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wow, i didn't think anyone ever actually set foot in Carter's.
you are a trailblazer! no wonder you got stickers.

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fightcitymayor wrote:
wow, i didn't think anyone ever actually set foot in Carter's.
you are a trailblazer! no wonder you got stickers.


Dude--with the coupon, that pair of sweat pants was $2.50.
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It bothers me that the fathers get neglected. There are tons of baby books about mothers. I feel left out sometimes.
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sisteray wrote:
It bothers me that the fathers get neglected. There are tons of baby books about mothers. I feel left out sometimes.


There are so many relatively minor things to complain about with the situation. Most obviously, as a stay-at-home dad, Carter's made a deliberate choice to make my nonstandard status salient. Second, following their usual division into boy and girl sections, they clearly gendered the colors. Then there's the strangely self-defeating nature of putting praise of oneself on the clothes of people whom everyone knows are entirely indifferent to the message. It's not even original, or cleverly worded, or connected enough to their brand or products to constitute effective marketing.

Happily, I'm also able to adopt a more positive perspective when I don't feel like indulging my righteous SAHD anger. My kids were both delighted to get a sticker, chose based on their color preferences rather than the constant programming marketers are trying to push on them, and I expect that the overwhelming majority of Carter's' customers find the message vaguely endearing.

It just shocks me that they couldn't think of a way to accomplish all of that without encouraging the sort of thoughts I was having while writing that first paragraph.
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sisteray wrote:
It bothers me that the fathers get neglected. There are tons of baby books about mothers. I feel left out sometimes.


It bothers me that in any given mall, there are about 3 dozen women's clothing stores, and about 2 men clothing stores, neither of which I would set foot in.

Department stores like Sears or the Bay have an entire 70% of a floor = women's clothing, 20% = women's cosmetics, 8% = various women accessories (bags, wallets, purses, toe nail clippers etc) 1.5% = luggage, 0.5% = men's clothing.

I think department stores are going to push men to just giving up and walking around naked within the next 20 years.
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And the worst is that it is fashionable for women to wear men's clothes, and after that men cannot wear them anymore!
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And the worst is that it is fashionable for women to wear men's clothes, and after that men cannot wear them anymore!


I've noticed this in the arena of names, but not clothes. Perhaps I don't make terribly fine distinctions, though--the only clothes I can think of which I'd call distinctively men's are pants, blazers, and ties, and I think we're still good with those. Maybe I'm out of touch and pants are a fashion faux pas.

Ascots, maybe?
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When I was in the mens clothing business from 1973 through 1989, I saw retail market analysis showing that the fastest turning inventory item in the retail world was womens shoes. In the mens business, the first item listed was underwear in 38th place.
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Ah! You're the dad! Sorry, I couldn't tell from your name (all the Kelseys I know are female), and I wasn't sure what the problem was!

I have several comments, but they're all pretty short.


Very troubling. soblue


I like Carter's clothing. They seem to last longer than anything else, and they're very comfortable. I was sad that I can't find any of their clothes for my now 3-year-old. I didn't know they had they're own stores!


All those clothes stores only for women don't do a bit of good if you're 6-feet-tall. There are big and tall men's stores everywhere. Where are the tall women's stores? And don't tell me Lane Bryant, because they stopped carrying tall sizes 15 years ago. Tall women's stores don't exist. I have to buy everything from specialty shops online. angry

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Apparently, Daddy can go to hell. soblue
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amwiles wrote:

Ah! You're the dad! Sorry, I couldn't tell from your name (all the Kelseys I know are female), and I wasn't sure what the problem was!

I have several comments, but they're all pretty short.

Very troubling. soblue

I like Carter's clothing. They seem to last longer than anything else, and they're very comfortable. I was sad that I can't find any of their clothes for my no 3-year-old. I didn't know they had they're own stores!

All those clothes stores only for women don't do a bit of good if you're 6-feet-tall. There are big and tall men's stores everywhere. Where are the tall women's stores? And don't tell me Lane Bryant, because they stopped carrying tall sizes 15 years ago. Tall women's stores don't exist. I have to buy everything from specialty shops online. angry



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amwiles wrote:

Ah! You're the dad! Sorry, I couldn't tell from your name (all the Kelseys I know are female), and I wasn't sure what the problem was!

I have several comments, but they're all pretty short.

Very troubling. soblue

I like Carter's clothing. They seem to last longer than anything else, and they're very comfortable. I was sad that I can't find any of their clothes for my no 3-year-old. I didn't know they had they're own stores!

All those clothes stores only for women don't do a bit of good if you're 6-feet-tall. There are big and tall men's stores everywhere. Where are the tall women's stores? And don't tell me Lane Bryant, because they stopped carrying tall sizes 15 years ago. Tall women's stores don't exist. I have to buy everything from specialty shops online. angry



Yeah--figured it was time I picked up the SAHD microbadge, partly to help with the identification of my gender (while my avatar is a photo of me and my daughter, I can understand how some might think it was simply a particularly handsome man, along the lines of mistermarino's avatar).

Partly, I just feel like I was so proud of New York for permitting gay marriage that I guess I thought policies which deliberately excluded gay couples would be on the decline. I mean, hey, I'm the primary caregiver and I still let my wife do most of the shopping for kids clothes, so I concede the general accuracy of the stereotype they're working with. But if I were raising kids with a husband, I think this would be somewhat more irksome, especially since the issue was so recently given so much press that it seems so easy to be considerate about it.

I've seen Carter's stores most often in outlet malls, where they seem fairly common. This was one of the very few regular retail stores I've seen, but they did have stuff up to I think 6T, so you might be able to find it online.
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Flyboy Connor wrote:
And the worst is that it is fashionable for women to wear men's clothes, and after that men cannot wear them anymore!


It is worse than that. Men's choice of what clothes they are allowed to buy is amazingly restricted, in colour and form. Men's shirts must have a collar (other than tee or baseball), and if not plain, only straight lines in strict geometric forms are allowed. No curves, swirls, circles. Men are allowed letters and numbers, in the form quasi-military/sporting outfits, and yes, there are paisley shirts and Hawaiian shirts, but those exceptions merely prove the rule.

Men's trousers must be full length, except for shorts which are knee-length. Likewise, men's coats must be full length, or half-length. Men's sleeves must be full-length. I could go on, and yes, you could spot the odd exception.

I won't begin on the faux crap that passes for suits.

Stand in your local shopping mall, and as people walk by, look at the huge range of styles, shapes, colours, patterns and combinations women are allowed, and then imagine men wearing them. Then look at what men are allowed to wear. The difference, when you get used to seeing it, is staggering.
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I am always jealous in Summer time when I see women wearing short skirts, bare arms, and a very low neckline (though it is really appreciated, ladies), while I have to go to work with long trousers and a buttoned-up shirt, with a plain white t-shirt underneath.
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It really irks me when you want to buy a cool dinosaur shirt, bear or puppy sleeper or something fun with trains on it and it has a saying like "Daddy's big boy", or "Boys will be boys" or some crap like that. Why can't my daughter have a truck on her clothes? Same goes the other way as well, good luck getting a kitten shirt for your boy without "Little princess" or some nonsense somewhere on it.

By staying gender neutral people would buy more of their clothes.
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Flyboy Connor wrote:
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I am always jealous in Summer time when I see women wearing short skirts, bare arms, and a very low neckline (though it is really appreciated, ladies), while I have to go to work with long trousers and a buttoned-up shirt, with a plain white t-shirt underneath.


...and sandals while I have to wear socks and dress shoes.
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Flyboy Connor wrote:
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I am always jealous in Summer time when I see women wearing short skirts, bare arms, and a very low neckline (though it is really appreciated, ladies), while I have to go to work with long trousers and a buttoned-up shirt, with a plain white t-shirt underneath.

I find it disturbing that many women where I work wear clothing that I would get sent home for wearing. They just call it by a different name: "This isn't a t-shirt, it's a blouse." No, it's a t-shirt. A rose by any other name still has short sleeves, no collar, and is made of cotton.
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Can't say I'd rather have women's clothing options. They get more options, yes, but far higher standards for fit and fashion which seem to me to impose some pretty substantial costs in both time and money, and seriously screw anyone with an unusual shape. Amy seems like a good example, but my wife is another--just slightly unusually proportioned, such that most things don't fit quite right. I can generally buy clothes with confidence without even trying them on.
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What freaks me out is the sexualizing of the father/daughter relationship, like "Daddy Daughter Date Night", virginity pledge rings between father & daughter, and the whole "Daddy's Princess" meme. funny, there's no "Mother-Son Date Night", virginity pledge, or "Mommy's Handsome Prince" stuff.

Yes, little girls should be able to wear trucks, and boys dress up in cool clothes. Seems the only dress-up fun guys get is the historical reenactors.
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