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Brett Austin
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Hello! I am very interested in an abstract game for me and my Mrs. (With the possibility of more later). I have not seen a comparison done between Qwirkle or Ingenious, and I wonder which game would be more "fun"? I know that the characteristics of "fun" are different for everyone but surely someone has played both games? I could really use the help of the community on this one. Thanks!
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I would go with Ingenious (just because I've played it more).
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I definitely prefer Ingenious because it has more strategy, although both are abstract tile-placement games. Ingenious is just as easy to learn, is as portable, is as appealing to non-gamers, and has more depth. With more than 2 players, Qwirkle seems chaotic, and it still is somewhat even with 2. Ingenious is one of the few games I've played that scales great for 2-4 players. In Qwirkle, there is some strategy but most moves seem obvious. Qwirkle takes longer than Ingenious, and it isn't any more non-gamer friendly (my opinion) I would definitely recommend Ingenious. It really is ingenious!
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I have played both of these games with 2&4 and would judge equal as far as fun goes. Both are great games. I would have a hard time choosing between the two.

I'm glad I own both
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+1 for ingenious. I just think there is more game there. Qwirkle might be better for kids (but sounds like that's a ways off).
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I have about 10 plays of Qwirkle under my belt, and 25 of Ingenious...

I agree with everything said above.
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Ingenious has much more depth, is more enjoyable, and offers more strategic decision making.

Qwirkle is probably fun with little kids.
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I don't understand why Qwirkle gets so much more love than Qwirkle Cubes!!!
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Thanks so much for everyone's reply so far. Unfortunately, I am still unsure of which to get.

Depth of decisions?

I like the idea of blocking and taking from your opponent (a screw your neighbour style). Which of these two games has this ability?

Also, components-wise, which are sturdier and feel better to place?

 
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A difficult decision indeed. I own and like both a lot. Like most of the others, I enjoy Ingenious a bit more. Don't know why, but I find it more addictive. I don't usually feel like playing an immediate re-match with Qwirkle but often do with Ingenious. Components-wise, they are both nice, though I'm not too fond of the Ingenious board (I prefer that of the Travel Edition, which is for two players only).

Blocking is more present in Ingenious I think. You can see which colours your opponents are worst at and will try to catch up on, so you can try to block that colour. With Qwirkle, it's mostly not placing a tile if you think it would give your opponents the opportunity to score a Qwirkle, i.e. maybe not lay down the fifth tile in a set so that your opponent only needs one tile to complete a Qwirkle (a set of six tiles that's worth extra points). But then you don't know what tiles they have and maybe the fourth tile is already too much, if they have both tiles needed for the Qwirkle. Ingenious has the more conscious screw-your-neighbour approach. With Qwirkle, I think it's more the product of chance and the blocking is often accidental. Might still cause the same frustration to the opponent and give you some satisfaction but is less strategic.
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I can't answer your question, but Qwirkle Cubes is something you should also consider. It has a level of strategy unavailable in qwirkle.
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I own and enjoy both games but have to agree with everyone else, if I had to pick one it would be Ingenious. It's just a better game.
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I own and enjoy both games but have to agree with everyone else, if I had to pick one it would be Ingenious. It's just a better game.

Sorry, why is this so?

There were a couple of indivduals whom mentionned Qwirkle Cubes. Are they any better than Qwirkle AND Ingenious?

Thanks once again, but I don't quite have a feeling as to why one is better than the other, as opposed to "It is!".

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I like Qwirkle Cubes most of all.

Different from Qwirkle or Ingenious, you get 6 (I think...) large wooden dice that have all of the shapes in a regular Qwirkle game in a single color.

At the beginning of your turn, you choose which cubes (dice) you want to roll, in order to try to get a different shape in that color. (If you had a blue diamond facing up, but you needed a blue starburst, you could choose to roll that die to change the shape - but not the color)

Placing and scoring rules are the same as in regular Qwirkle.
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Gr1mAce wrote:

I like the idea of blocking and taking from your opponent (a screw your neighbour style). Which of these two games has this ability?


Blokus

Ingenious does as well, particularly towards the end of the game, but Blokus does much more so, because it is all open information.

My wife and I own Ingenious, which we find okay, and blokus duo, which we like a lot. Blokus, being luck free and open information, is a deeper and more intense play experience.
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For me the big downside to Blokus is that I don't like it outside four people. Fewer than that number, and players have to play for the missing players, either taking on two colors, or alternating plays for the missing fourth player with three.
There is a way to create the Travel Blokus board with regular Blokus, this may alleviate these concerns for some, but you're still left with a game that suits only two or four players, and arrangements being necessary to play with two.

Ingenious plays one, two, three, or four just fine.
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I've played a lot of both and Ingenious is far superior for all player numbers. I really enjoy Ingenious as a partership game with two teams of two.

Qwirkle is just okay with 2 players. With more than two, the game gets so streaky that I would rather play just about anything else.
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My wife tends to like abstracts but would never consider them as such. She just likes games she considers fun.

Games she likes a lot

Blokus (Or some variant we have all but the 3D)
Tiki Topple
Qwirkle Cubes
Ingenious
Dizios
Fits

I asked her and she like qwirkle cubes above ingenious but tiki is her favorite.
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