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I've been away from the Geek for a while and was happy to see that "versions" have been added to games. But the documentation on the philosophy on versions is scant. Specifically webpages:

http://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Game_entry#

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/BGG_Guide_to_Game_Sub...

Should be updated with more information on how versions are to be used.

Also there seems to be a gaping hole in that images are not associated with particular versions. It would be nice to associate which pictures belong to which version of a game. This gets really important in some of the abstract strategy games if you want to mash what are now multiple games into one listing.
 
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/wiki/page/Versions_Guidelines is the main wiki page for versions. For the wiki pages you linked to - well, it's a wiki. If you have specific ideas for how to extend them to be more useful, go right ahead and make the edit.

As for linking images to specific versions, this too is up to all of us. All images have a "Add Version Link" link in the left column, so when you know, go ahead and submit that. I don't think this needs to be done exhaustively - just comprehensively. (That is, not every image needs to be linked to a version, just as long as each version has a few images that work for allowing people to distinguish the different versions.) For example, I took the time last week to link a few dozen images to the two versions of Glen More: German edition gallery versus English edition gallery.

As with categorizing images, or voting in the language-dependency polls, you don't need everyone to participate. Just a few of us making an effort and doing this consistently will be enough to increase the value of version galleries for everyone.
 
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As for linking images to versions, it would be great if everyone who uploads images also links them to the corresponding version. You're taking photos of a game you own, you know which version it is (and if you don't you can easily look it up). This is much less error-prone than other users going through the galleries later on and linking others' images to versions. Sure, often this will work well, but it's not always that easy, and sometimes it looks as if a photo was about version A while in fact it is from version B, with the differences being very subtle.

I always link the photos I take and upload to a version. If the version isn't in the database yet, I submit it. And link the images after the version has been approved.

I don't know why others don't do this. Not interested in versions? Don't want to do extra work when there's no gold to be earned?

I think it would greatly increase the value of version galleries if people who took the image and uploaded it also linked it to the version, so please link!
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A Traveler,

Thanks for the tip on the "add version" to an image. I completely missed that. I really had to dig to find what you were talking about. Old eyes. ;-)

The version documentation you pointed out was not something that I was able to find. Again thank you. It didn't quite get down to the level of detail that I needed to solve a problem which I have noted. I was hoping for more top down guidance rather than starting another flame war.

The gist is though there are a number of abstract strategy games on my 4x4 grid game list list that are played with functionally the same equipment.

I don't have any problem putting Rubik's Eclipse, Rubik's Magic and Rubik's Tic Tac Toe in the same game entry and listing them as versions. However the game Square Dance uses equipment which would work fine to play Rubik's games, but it has different rules and was made by a different company and different designer. So I don't think That Square Dance should get mashed in with Rubik's games. Now there are two other games which are between these two. Form o Color and Head & Tails.

It's a judgement call, but I think that there ought to be four entries. Rubik's had multiple versions, Heads & Tails had multiple versions and Form o Color had multiple versions.

The way to handle this in my opinion would be to put links in the addition information section and put "Similar to:" and list the other games and how they are different. In Rubic's game I'd note that Heads & Tails was basically the same game with different equipment.

The gist to me is that a game still has a lot of links and stuff that a version doesn't have.


Before I just make the wiki changes I'll pause and see what this thread produces.

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/6818/forma-o-colore

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/13058/heads-tails

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/37282/le-jeu-des-caesars (needs deleting...)

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3081/rubiks-tac-toe


On the other end of the spectrum is Score Four. There were a zillion versions of the game that are obviously similar equipment and have almost the same rules. So all of those games do belong in the same game. So in my mind Tramp ought to get folded into Score Four.

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3656/score-four
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/12705/tramp

Again though it is a judgement call. To get ridiculous, should all card games played with the standard 52 card deck get put into one entry because they all use the same deck of cards?

Regards,
Herb



 
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marble911 wrote:
...I don't know why others don't do this. Not interested in versions? Don't want to do extra work when there's no gold to be earned?

I think it would greatly increase the value of version galleries if people who took the image and uploaded it also linked it to the version, so please link!


Obviously the interface needs to be changed so that when you upload an image you are forced to choose a version. However the versions must first be in the database.

With both entering a game, then entering a version, and adding images requiring approvals, there has to be a backlog problem. Between fixing problems and doing approvals, the time that the developers have to really code has to be limited.

It is just really frustrating to try to enter a game when it turns into a week long effort to get it in. Several times you have to wait for approvals before you can proceed. Then finally you should link versions to the images. If you want to approve it piecemeal fine, but let me enter the whole thing and be done with it. Restrict access to moderators and guy who enters it until all the approvals are done.
 
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