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Marco semori
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Hi guys a noob question, I read a lot of report and never heard about Italian that build CV and I wonder why...
Italy has a very good Nav (but she hasn't long range Ftr) so her biggest problem is to protect them against the Brit Cvps during the AtS action.
So, is it so bad building a CV and put on her 2 Cvps with a good AtA value in order to protect the Navs?
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Tony Abrahamsen
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Hi Marco, Henning and I have thought about that too in our current game, where we for once as the Axis had a 'little extra' BP to experiment with.(so we built the German and Italian CVs) But here in the beginning of 44 as the Allies have opened the Med again, the conclusion has to be.... 'Too little too late',and allthough it was fun to see them enter the game it's not something we'll ever try again, the BP could have been spent much better elsewhere:-)

(I don't really feel much safer in the Med with my str5 cvp looking at all the Lightnings taking off from Tunis )
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Wendell
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I've seen an Italian CV built once or twice. I think most players think that given the geography of the Med, land-based air is cheaper and more flexible for Italy. But if the Axis hopes to take Gibraltar and then really prosecute a mondo Battle of the Atlantic, an Italian CV or two could be pretty useful!
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Simon Nicholls
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Our Axis / Fascist players always try and build CV's for the Italians (and even for the Germans which is just bombast really).

One advantage that the CV has is the stickaroundability (yes that is a made up word) of the planes in multiple impulses of combat, but mostly it is vital for Italy, even in the Med, because it is the only way they can get any kind of FTR into a high sea box.

Most Italian FTRs have a range of 3 or 4 which means they are rarely in a naval air combat unless the search die rolls are very kind. Even the early Italian CV's can get into the top seabox and fly their FTRs from there. Admittedly the CVPs are not very good, but as they say, half the battle is simply being there.

The only problem is that an Italian CV is immediately the most important target on the map for the CW player so quite often they are port struck repeatedly from the turn they appear on the map.
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Greg Gray
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I have seen an Italian CV built in at least one game, maybe two. When they were present they did good service, but from my perspective there are three problems to building them. First is cost, second is time, third is numbers. For what you'll pay, you could build a MOT, a FTR and pilot, or a battleship. Italian build points are pretty limited early in the war, and CVs take so long that you are looking at only being able to employ them two years after you layed them down. Finally, if you build one then you are effectively pitting it against five CW carriers, and possibly a couple US ones as well, not to mention their much better ranged LBA.

I think what I'm trying to say is that building a CV can not win the war for you, but concentrating on land units, air units, or surface combat ships has a better chance of playing to an area where Italy could be strong enough to be decisive, (always depending on the overall strategy and situation).
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Marco semori
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Thank you guys!
I wonder that should be a reason if noone build Italian CV :)
In my game Italy played very well (more than German) and the surface fleet is able to sink a lot of CW fleet, but now CW is sending her best CV and after few battles I'm not able to really threat her except with my Nav, but they have no escort so they fast became pretty useless.
So I thought if I spent some BP (around 1 or 2) in the early '39 about end of '40 I can have a CV...
But as the Italian says "Hindsight fills the graves" ;)

If next game I'll have a good production with Italy (early DOW Brit or France and full supply from German) maybe I try and let you know if it works ;)
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In my experience, Italian CVs are very useful IF your pre-game strategy is based in the idea of storming Gibraltar early in the game. If your plan point against the USSR in 1941, The CVs are simply too expensive to be employed in the Mediterranean. They are good units, but the Italian Army need those Bps. Unless of course the German player is a generous ally... not very probable.

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