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http://www.chicagotribune.com/site/newspaper/business/sc-con...

Apparently Aldie likes Settlers but Phil Orbanes likes Monopoly.
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Re: Chicago Times article quotes Aldie - that's the CHICAGO TIMES - even I've heard of it
No, that's the Chicago Tribune
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Re: Chicago Times article quotes Aldie - that's the CHICAGO TIMES - even I've heard of it
Good grief. If I didn't know anything and read that article, I'd come away with the idea that Settlers of Catan was a co-op game, and probably that Aldie had a whole website devoted to friendly, touchy-feely co-ops where teamwork was more important than winning and playing was good family therapy. It's like a scary parallel universe!
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Re: Chicago Times article quotes Aldie - that's the CHICAGO TIMES - even I've heard of it
Agreed.

This Phil guy seems to be stuck in an 80's mentality. One and only one winner in the jungle? He who has the most money at the end is the only winner in life? I call shenanigans, and if those are the life lessons being lost than good riddance.
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Re: Chicago Times article quotes Aldie - that's the CHICAGO TIMES - even I've heard of it
ellephai wrote:
Good grief. If I didn't know anything and read that article, I'd come away with the idea that Settlers of Catan was a co-op game, and probably that Aldie had a whole website devoted to friendly, touchy-feely co-ops where teamwork was more important than winning and playing was good family therapy. It's like a scary parallel universe!


Yeah and that settlers was some "upstart" that just came out. Phil should know better, too.
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Re: Chicago Times article quotes Aldie - that's the CHICAGO TIMES - even I've heard of it
"Experts: Monopoly matters, especially in a tough economy"

I'm just wondering where they get the plural from? I can only see one expert saying Monopoly is important & several saying other games are better
 
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Re: Chicago Times article quotes Aldie - that's the CHICAGO TIMES - even I've heard of it
Did you see the part about Orbanes having written several books about Monopoly? Not one but several, of course he thinks it's the end all be all of games.
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No, that's the Chicago Tribune


Exsqueeeze me, I think you'll find later that's what I said.
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Did you see the part about Orbanes having written several books about Monopoly? Not one but several, of course he thinks it's the end all be all of games.


I think Phil either did or does work for the publisher, but yes, having invested much work on the game, he's naturally loathe to see it fall.

But it's interesting that this article moves towards quoting Settlers in parallel with Monopoly. It's an upstart, but it is there, and referenced without detailed explanation.
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The article wrote:
The whole idea irks Orbanes, who believes that the lessons of the traditional games — there is one and only one winner in the jungle — are being lost.


Yep, because remember kids: There will be only one person who is successful in life and everyone else will be miserable tools. Have fun in the real world!

Man that quote really irks me. What a stupid philosophy to have and what a stupid philosophy to teach people, especially kids. The idea that there is only one person who will come out on top will turn people into jerks and rude a**holes with no manners as they lie, cheat, and steal to be that one person.

Ok done with that part... let me keep reading.

EDIT: Ok after reading all that... I really don't want to know what Phil Orbanes does with his copy of monopoly at night time. It's like he wants to marry the game or something.
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I think you need both types of games to be realistic. Yes, there is competition and limited resources in the world, and yes sometimes you do try to win over someone else. But rarely do you fight all your battles in life in a solo manner. You also have to know how to barter, trade, and even *gasp* cooperate. To say the idea of cooperation irks him really makes me wonder what his family life is like... And does he not work in an environment where there is some need to be a "team player" once in awhile?

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The article wrote:
The whole idea irks Orbanes, who believes that the lessons of the traditional games — there is one and only one winner in the jungle — are being lost.


What ever happened to a "A rising tide lifts all boats"? Phil should play Acquire. You can be ruthless towards the other players and shatter their financial dreams and the person with the most money wins; however, EVERYONE MAKES MONEY!!! It is impossible to make money in Acquire without helping out (in some way) the other players. You might be the majority share holder, but you are not the only share holder, so while you merge you hotel into another one and make the most money, the other players who hold stock make money too.

That is a MUCH better example of the "Jungle" that he wants to simulate. If his idea of capitalism is that everyone goes bankrupt except for one person, then I vote we move to socialism fast.
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ElCid91 wrote:
Did you see the part about Orbanes having written several books about Monopoly? Not one but several, of course he thinks it's the end all be all of games.


Orbanes is an ass. He doesn't understand about growing the gaming market/community - there can still be one flawed commercially hyped leader but if more games are known there is room for more players. That is it's not about other games getting a larger slice of the pie but a much bigger pie. What a dork.

Also your point is almost there. He's invested a heap of time into Monopoly so for him it's THE game, But as well the more people focus on it the more people read his wise words and the more books he gets royalty payments for.
 
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It's hard to have a 45 minute interview get distilled down to one quote, but I guess that was the best one that I had during the conversation.

I didn't realize the article was about Monopoly teaching "Life Lessons" until the end - and then when that part came up, I was thinking to myself - better use the "grind your opponents into dust" quote that Derk used in a similar interview about 8 years ago.

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This is the same Phil Orbanes...

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that is the designer of Cartel and Infinity. While he has a strong affinity for Monopoly, he does have it in him to design some pretty good games of his own. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him out of hand as an ignorant talking head.
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The journalist who mistook all Eurogames for cooperative games may not have accurately characterized Orbane's comments.

I doubt Orbanes thinks economics is inherently zero sum. Unlike the typical transaction that is win-win -- that's why the seller sells and the buyer buys -- maybe Orbanes just meant that a Monopoly transaction involves one and only one winner. The seller is usually the winner. The buyer is usually the loser. That is a fundamental lesson. And as Orbanes suggests, wondering why you own Monopoly: The ALF Edition will take your mind off your real problems.
 
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Speaking of false zero-sum, I'm sure there's room in every household for one copy of Monopoly and one copy of Settlers.

There's very little actual *play* value-add in having multiple branded copies of Monopoly.

That's a valuable economic lesson (cost-benefit) that supposedly Monopoly itself teaches according to the article.

Monopoly fans shouldn't be concerned about Settlers "pushing out" Monopoly; Monopoly is in the position of competing against itself in the space of being sold as a game.

The economic benefit branded Monopoly brings to Hasbro is to make a Monopoly set another collectible item for the various fans of the brands. (I am considering all licensed properties to be brands.)
 
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This is the same Phil Orbanes...

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that is the designer of Cartel and Infinity. While he has a strong affinity for Monopoly, he does have it in him to design some pretty good games of his own. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him out of hand as an ignorant talking head.


Who apparently LOVES Cir*Kis (Not that there is anything wrong with that...).
 
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Bearcat89 wrote:
This is the same Phil Orbanes...

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that is the designer of Cartel and Infinity. While he has a strong affinity for Monopoly, he does have it in him to design some pretty good games of his own. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him out of hand as an ignorant talking head.


Who apparently LOVES Cir*Kis (Not that there is anything wrong with that...).


He designed it...
 
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lfisher wrote:
soiledshortz wrote:
Bearcat89 wrote:
This is the same Phil Orbanes...

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that is the designer of Cartel and Infinity. While he has a strong affinity for Monopoly, he does have it in him to design some pretty good games of his own. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him out of hand as an ignorant talking head.


Who apparently LOVES Cir*Kis (Not that there is anything wrong with that...).


He designed it...


Well, that could explain it.
 
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Ok. It's a fluff piece about how Monopoly is still relevant. Obviously the author needed a foil for the hero of the piece. Here's the buried lead:

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Within the category, though, myriad extensions of older games (Simpsons edition, anyone?) have diluted the experience and are losing market share to the upstarts with "more inspired'' game play, he said.


A. why does the author keep refering to Eurogames as "upstarts"?
B. why is "more inspired" in quotes, other than to make it a derogatory statement?
C. if the the rehashes of Monotony are loosing market share to these "upstarts," doesn't that make it less relevant?

I don't think Phil deserves a hard time for this piece. It is a fairly lame fluff piece where the author pines for Monopoly. Blame her.
 
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