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Benjamin Pachner
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I am going to run a no shipping math trade for attendees of the Internationale Spieletage 2011 (20.10.2011 - 23.10.2011) in Essen. There is no trade list yet since I decided to wait until the current Europen math trade is over. But I guess there is no harm in starting to spread the word and get the discussion going. So feel free to share your thoughts and ideas.


Edit: And here is the trade list
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/72080
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Hi, have a look at:

Spiel/Essen 2011 - no ship - game exchange

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Viki3m wrote:
Hi, have a look at:

Spiel/Essen 2011 - no ship - game exchange

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Could you supply a link?
 
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Viki3m wrote:
Hi, have a look at:

Spiel/Essen 2011 - no ship - game exchange

Roberto


I think a mathtrade works much better than trying to trade with someone individually!
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Cyberian wrote:
Viki3m wrote:
Hi, have a look at:

Spiel/Essen 2011 - no ship - game exchange

Roberto


I think a mathtrade works much better than trying to trade with someone individually!


Seconded!
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As in the last years, both the math trade and the direct trade list will work well beside each other.
It will be no problem to offer games in both lists since one can withdraw items at any time until the math trade want lists have to be submitted.
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Hi Benjamin,

Great that you're setting up a maths trade for Essen!

I had one small request: I currently have an auction running (shameless plug: here) which ends at the end of next Sunday. As I would like to list unsold items from there in the Essen maths trade, would it be at all possible to have the submission term at least extend until Monday the 19th?

Many thanks in advance!
 
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Yes, don't worry. I will set up the trade after the current EU trade has finished and then it will still be more than a month until the fair starts. My plan is to end the Essen math trade about 2 weeks before the show so there is still plenty of time.
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As i've never participated in any math trade perhaps this is a silly question, but.. Will it result in a trade of one vs one or will average market worth be taken into account?

So in other words.. Is it possible to trade away a copy of War of The Ring collector's edition (not that i have one) for f.e. bohnanza?
 
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sucrates wrote:
As i've never participated in any math trade perhaps this is a silly question, but.. Will it result in a trade of one vs one or will average market worth be taken into account?

So in other words.. Is it possible to trade away a copy of War of The Ring collector's edition (not that i have one) for f.e. bohnanza?


In short: You offer one or more games, as many other people do. When all games have been added, you use a tool and decide which of your games you are willing to trade for Bohnanza and which not. In other words, the value is decided by yourself (if you hurry up and buy that collector's edition, I am sure I can find a Bohnanza somewhere...).
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sucrates wrote:
As i've never participated in any math trade perhaps this is a silly question, but.. Will it result in a trade of one vs one or will average market worth be taken into account?

So in other words.. Is it possible to trade away a copy of War of The Ring collector's edition (not that i have one) for f.e. bohnanza?

You only trade your game away, if you find something you'd like to have instead. So - it is highly unlikely, that you will find something of equal value, BUT you could offer your War of the Ring:CE and take a look; even post in the discussion thread, what you would like to have for that.

If nothing turns up that you would like for your WotR:CE, you just leave the list of wanted games (for WotR:CE) blank - so it will not be given away, because there is nothing you could get in return.
 
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cuazzel wrote:
As in the last years, both the math trade and the direct trade list will work well beside each other.
It will be no problem to offer games in both lists since one can withdraw items at any time until the math trade want lists have to be submitted.

I understand your point, but I advice you to report that it exist even the exchange list, not to seem in competition with it.
 
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I just took a look at my calendar and fixed the dates for the trade:

Open For Item Submission: 16.09.2011
Closed For Item Submission: 02.10.2011, 20:00 CEST
Closed For Want List Submission: 08.10.2011, 20:00 CEST

So the trade will start next weekend and be open for about 2 weeks. Then you will have almost one week for creating your want lists and after that there are still 11 days left until the fair starts. I hope this way everyone will have plenty of time for everything.
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Thanks cuazzel!!! thumbsupthumbsupthumbsup
 
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The trade list is up:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/72080
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Perhaps you could add it to the Essen List of Lists?

Essen 2011 - The list of lists
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Hi everyone,
I participated in this last year, and I thank cuazzel for it again this year. thumbsup

Last year, many people met in the space between halls 4 and 5 in the middle of the day. And while I think I was the one who suggested that arrangement, I would propose something else this time.

The reason being that it can kind of disrupt your day when you have a scheduled meeting in the middle of the day. You might have to cut a demo short and plow your way through 3 crowded halls to make it to the meeting place in time.

So this time I propose meeting in the main entrance hall after the doors close. That way you could even leave the game you are trading away in the cloakroom and would not have to lug it around all day.

This also has the added advantage that if someone is late (either because he got held up or maybe works at the fair), the trade partners can lounge around and chat and unbox their new purchases until everyone has shown up, without taking precious time out of their day.
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Last year I didn't participate in the mathtrade, but in 2009 we planned our meeting next to the BGG booth, so in case someone had to wait there was something useful to do (the BGG buzzlist).

For me, meeting around noon would be perfect; just before I return to the car to drop off the initial shoppings and before I'm going to discover and play the other stuff.
 
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Tsaar wrote:
Last year I didn't participate in the mathtrade, but in 2009 we planned our meeting next to the BGG booth, so in case someone had to wait there was something useful to do (the BGG buzzlist).

For me, meeting around noon would be perfect; just before I return to the car to drop off the initial shoppings and before I'm going to discover and play the other stuff.

You're leaving the sacred halls of the SPIEL for such mundane things as lessening your burdens?! wow Burdens, no less, which you should be proud to bear for as long as it takes to worship everything that is the Greatest Game Fair in the World.
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Hi, another question. Read the OLWLG thread as well as tried to make sense of the trader itself, but cannot seem to find the answer there. So I hope you trade-pro's can help me again.

I've put down a number of games I'm willing to trade. As far as I can see, in step 4 the most valuable games are in the rightcolumns, and the least valuable games are on the left. This seems different to the OLWLG thread so it confuses me.

Second, I have found a number of games I would love to have. What will happen if I check the first 10 games or so of the 'for trade' for any of the 'want' games? Will I make just 1 trade, giving away my 10 games for the top want game? Or will this result in a match of these 10 vs the 3 games I'd like? Or is it possible nobody wants my games and there is no trade (and I should have selected more)?

And what will happen if you f.e. check all the boxes?
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Aha, seems as if I found the answer: "FAQ: in a math trade any potential trades found are always going to be "1 for 1" which is one of your offering(s) that you will ship out (or deliver if it's a "no ship") to another participant in the math trade you will receive exactly one offering (from your "want list" for your offering) from most likely yet another participant. An "offering" is a single geeklist item... however note that the offering/item could be a bundle of more than one thing."

So if I'm correct, checking more boxes will just increase my options of getting that game, but it will always be 1 vs 1.

Right?
 
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Yes, the trades are always 1 item for 1 other item. This is why you have to create a seperate want list for every one of your own items (or let OLWLG do it by checking those boxes). Item refers to items in the trade list, so of course 1 item can also be a bundle of games if one offers more than one game in one item.

Checking more boxes (i.e. putting more items on your want lists) means higher chance to trade but still you should never check any box where you would not really like to get the corresponding item. Because you may very well get exactly that item :)
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sucrates wrote:
Aha, seems as if I found the answer: "FAQ: in a math trade any potential trades found are always going to be "1 for 1" which is one of your offering(s) that you will ship out (or deliver if it's a "no ship") to another participant in the math trade you will receive exactly one offering (from your "want list" for your offering) from most likely yet another participant. An "offering" is a single geeklist item... however note that the offering/item could be a bundle of more than one thing."

So if I'm correct, checking more boxes will just increase my options of getting that game, but it will always be 1 vs 1.

Right?


I'm also waiting for that answer. My gut says you are right, but I would like confirmation (I ticked 9 checkboxes for just 1 game... so I'm also a bit "nervous" about this).
 
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About the way OLWLG sorts the items: For your own items (the columns) this does not have any influence at all. It's just that the higher value items will probably end up being listed on the left and the less valuable items will be liested on the right. But since every single column will become one seperate want list, this is just for orientation purposes.

The rows on the other hand do have a little influence. In short: Items listed first are your most wanted items and the chance of getting one of those is (in theory) slightly better than getting an item listed at the bottom of your list. You can manually change the order of the rows by typing numbers in those little text fields. Higher numbers will be listed first.
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