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For those of you who have played this enough times--likely everyone but me--if the British do take both of the Empire Settler's cards, how difficult is it for the French to win?

What kind of handicap is it for the French side to not have either of the Empire cards?

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bentlarsen wrote:
For those of you who have played this enough times--likely everyone but me--if the British do take both of the Empire Settler's cards, how difficult is it for the French to win?

What kind of handicap is it for the French side to not have either of the Empire cards?

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I have not played it yet where the British player tried that strategy, but given what I know now after 5 plays, I'd hazard that a extremely thinned French deck would be able to use win by sieging or raiding.
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bentlarsen wrote:
For those of you who have played this enough times--likely everyone but me--if the British do take both of the Empire Settler's cards, how difficult is it for the French to win?


I haven't won a game as French against good opposition. (That's what I want to try next.) But as British I've not taken the two green Settler cards and have won that way. And it's worth noting the the French do have two Settler cards if they really need them, the second is the Intendant. Expensive I'll grant you, but an option.

If the British did try the two early green Settlers play, I think it's time for a French military assault. But as I said, haven't tried it yet.
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I think the British are asking for trouble if they open by buying the two neutral settlers on turn 2. That's a lot of money that they won't have to spend on military units when the French launch the siege of Pemaquid. I've not found it difficult to win with only the Quebec settler. As already mentioned, use the Intendant to pick it up again for two uses each time through the deck.

If the Brit thinks he can win by focusing on emptying out his town pile, he's probably wrong. Left alone, the French should have plenty of time to upgrade enough of their juicy starting locations. If the British player is more aggressive, neither will have the luxury to settle frequently, and the cards will just bog down your deck.
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I have tried and won as the Brits with this strategy; however, my opponent did not go aggresively military. She tried to compete on towns and, even so, it was close. If instead, she had pushed the military I think she would have won.
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Yes, I think this gums the British deck up with a lot of useless cards. The French should take (and resign themselves to funding) the Intendant so they can fish Quebec out of the discard pile from time to time as needed, or they should go after the British militarily or via raids (those Settlers are no good at all in a fight---on the contrary, they turn 2VP targets into 4VP targets.)
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In the second game I played the British used this tactic against me and I found it very difficult for the rest of the game. I hadn't read any of the strategy advice around BGG so didn't immediately attack Pemaquid - although I'm not sure I would have been able to given the cards I had.

Although the French do have a marginal military edge at the start I don't think it is enough to guarantee being able to seige Pemaquid. I did get a fort in Fort Beausejour to raid from but it is relatively easy for the British to generate cash and my oponenet quickly grabbed a green fort card and Pemaquid was fortified before I really had a chance to go on the offensive.

It's hard for the French to generate cash to fund both an increasing military and a raiding campaign - the cheap option the French have is to expand but that clogs your hand up. Developing the already present villages to towns typically requires a Settler card and you are limited to just Quebec - which requires even more money to retrieve via the intendant. Although I kept the British at bay for quite some time I never really felt I was in with a chance of overturning the situation.

It looked a pretty strong openning move for the British to me - it should be said I wasn't desperately lucky on how my first couple of deck cycles went in terms of having fur cards in my hand at the right time to generate income with the trader - this undoubtedly gave the British breathing space to recover financially and reach military parity.

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Gordon, good food for gaming thought here.

Yes, attacking and besieging Pemaquid is not the same as actually winning the place. Is it more the threat then the execution that is important?

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I've won a number of games as the French with only the one Settler (Quebec). They were all military wins (siege vs Boston or New York). I have also lost to others playing the French when I denied them the two neutral settlers. Both time this happened they won via VPs.
 
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bentlarsen wrote:
Gordon, good food for gaming thought here.

Yes, attacking and besieging Pemaquid is not the same as actually winning the place. Is it more the threat then the execution that is important?

goo


A long siege at Pemaquid is the best thing to happen to the French. They can then get all the non-pelt cards out and use the trader for beaucoup bucks.
 
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Butterfly0038 wrote:
I have tried and won as the Brits with this strategy; however, my opponent did not go aggresively military. She tried to compete on towns and, even so, it was close. If instead, she had pushed the military I think she would have won.


I tried and lost with this British strategy, because my opponent *did* go aggressively military, and the extra cards gum up the works too much. That was against a very competent French opponent.
 
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Bent, my experience is, against a competent French player, the double Settler strategy is very problematic--for the British! It leaves the Brits cash poor and with a bloated deck--not a good combo. I think the French have a lot of answers against this strategy.
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Last Friday, my opponent took a neutral settler card and won by placing all of his towns on the board.

With Intendant and Home Support in his deck, he was able to develop his villages pretty easily. Perhaps i played not aggressively (i mean sieges)...

More details here : http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/698162/expansion-and-develop...
 
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Played today: English resigned after I as French drafted a Ship, Coureur des bois, Halifax and Home Support, then proceeded to pirate, ambush and siege them into the ground. The English never had more than 10 moneys at any given point after they spent their first 12.
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Two days a go I turned the tables on a complete English victory by Sieging and settling New York.

While the english was busy going the Port Royale - Louisbourg - Quebec way,
I as a French was defending by buying all infantries and militias, ambushing with the natives and slowly making my way to Albany, getting rid of the extra cards with Governor. Once the English were getting ready to smash Quebec, Two successful ambushes got rid of artillery and regulars and I sieged NY just after losing Taddoussac and surprised the English with no troops at hand to counter the move. Used the intendant to rescue the ONLY settler card in my deck - Quebec for a win.

So far Ive had two wins as a french, one lose and one win as an English. I NEVER took any othe settler cards, even if the game went the settling way.
 
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Not needed at all, I agree.
 
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