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Timothy Goddard
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Emyn Muil should, in theory, be coming out any day now (I would guess next week, give or take). Back when Rhosgobel was pending, I did some guesswork on what kinds of player cards would be coming based on hints in the description and announcement, but I realized today that I know essentially nothing about this pack, despite its coming so soon.

We know a little about the quest (only one card, victory is related to visiting locations, Rauros falls is one of the locations), but from what I can tell, nothing about the player cards.

That won't stop me from guessing, though.

The hero, I think, will be tactics or leadership. That seems odd, since we just had Imhrahil and are about to have Boromir, but based on what we know about Khazad-Dum, that's still my guess. There are 2 dwarf heroes in KD, and the assumption is that we'll get one Spirit & one Lore, to give us a dwarf hero in each sphere, which makes sense. It also makes sense, because with 6 adventure packs, two spheres are going to have one more hero than the other two. If those are Tactics & Leadership, then the two new dwarf heroes will balance that out nicely.

So who will it be? My hope is Samwise Gamgee, a Leadership hobbit--there have been a lot of hobbit-themed Leadership events, so on that frail reed I place my hope. I can't say that's an expectation, though the opportunity to have Frodo and Sam go adventuring together seems too good to pass up. Until this happens, though, I'll place it in the 'too good to be true' category. Someone like Eomer is perhaps more likely, but he would make a fine Tactics hero, and make a Spirit-Tactics Rohan deck a lot of fun.

The one card I do expect is a Song of Will or something otherwise spirit-y. With Song of Battle coming in Dead Marshes, this just makes sense, and the Return to Mirkwood seems to me to be a more likely spot for a new neutral character like Radagast (Elrond, perhaps? Or, as I've suggested before, Saruman?).

Everything else is pretty much a completely wild guess. Tactics is lagging in attachments, which is odd since you'd think they would be bristling with weapons. So perhaps a weapon--Sword of the Barrow-downs or Sword of Westernesse would be the most obvious, but there are many other possibilities.

Tactics is also the only sphere without a 5-cost event, so there's another possibility.

Lore has fewer events than the others, and those are common anyway, so that seems likely.

Spirit still has fewer allies than the others, even though there's been one in every pack so far--and there will be another in Dead Marshes. That's possible in this one as well.

If anyone else is as impatient for news of these things as I am, feel free to add your own guesses!
 
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I too am extremely impatient, as I find myself immediately wanting the next expansion as soon as I'm done with one.

Some good brainstorming here, and Khazad-dum does seem to disrupt the rollout of the heroes somewhat. Still, I have some trouble seeing them add the same sphere of hero right in a row. Also, maybe it's just me, but I think of Samwise as being the ultimate definition of a Spirit hero . . . I might put Merry as Leadership and Pippin as Tactics, but now I'm just doing even more random hand-waving.

I figure you're probably right on about the Song. Neutral cards are kind of strange though, aren't they? As of yet it's not totally clear what makes the distinction between neutral and sphere-centric characters are in terms of flavor. Elrond seems like a classic Lore hero to me, but again, who knows?

Tactics definitely needs some more weapons or armor or some kind of attachments, maybe a bow to add ranged and +1 attack or something along those lines? It would be nice to add something that wasn't OMG MOAR EAGLES. I like the eagles and all, but it's already tiring a bit.

I'd love for Spirit to have some alternate way of doing damage or defending, like a card letting you swap in willpower for attack for a phase or something along those lines? I suspect this may have been thought of due to the weirdly set-up Escort from Edoras (why isn't his willpower just 4 all the time?)

EDIT: Jumping from paragraph to paragraph means sometimes you forget one wasn't done . . .
 
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Kharnel wrote:
Also, maybe it's just me, but I think of Samwise as being the ultimate definition of a Spirit hero . . .


I think of Sam as leadership mainly because of how that sphere is themed for assisting other players, which is Sam all over. His power would have to be something like 'Exhaust Sam to give one other hero...' something, and that's a very Leadership-ish thing to do.

I had forgotten about the need for a bow, though--I'll bet you're right. That would help in Rhosogbel significantly, and since these decks were probably all built at the same time, I could totally see them doing that.
 
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There are some patterns being followed. The songs are obvious, we sure are getting the Spirit one now, unless we are getting it in the last one, haha, I think this pack is much more likely.

Spirit has been getting a Rohan ally each pack and I think that will follow as well.

All the Tactics cards have been eagle-themed with the exception of Beorning Beekeeper. I think and hope we are for more.

Leadership has been getting Signals but the options are running out. Perhaps hp can get a boost but what then? It may as well stop now or take a different turn.

Lore has been most wild. And it is my favourite sphere yet. The deluxe preview showed the songs will go on in spheres as well, which is good news for Rivendell Minstrel.

As I posted in the other thread, I hope we are getting something with an elven-theme. And I do wonder if we are getting Celeborn as a hero for Spirit?
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This pack is very mysterious so far... I'm hoping for a preview this week since they did 3 for Rhosgobel (they did them on Monday, however, and monday has passed...). I don't expect to see this expansion until Sept. 28th is my guess. They're going back into a monthly release cycle now so it's going to be a little longer between packs then we've had this past month. (Remember though that Osgiliath is probably coming out this week)

As far as the hero, it is a big mystery since you'd expect a Tactics hero but we know Boromir's in the next one. One option is that this will also be a Tactics hero and then they'll start the cycle again, but in reverse doubling up on tactics. Or it's up for grabs. Personally I hope for a Lore Elf Hero. Celeborn was a Spirit Hero in the early demo version of the game. I feel like, since a Dwarven invasion is coming up, these are our last chances to get some cool elf cards.

I also hope for a bow of some kind, you're right that Tactics needs another weapon attachment. Now that the Dunedain attachments are done, hopefuly we can finally see a new Leadership ally. I wouldn't mind another eagle but I would love to see another type of creature card we could use Radagast to play, perhaps a horse! That would make sense since this scenario is going to be travel/willpower heavy.
 
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Yeah, I could see Sam being a very support-centric character. Some kind of variation on Theodred's ability, maybe more generalized so he could just exhaust to add a resource to any of your own heroes?

I definitely hope Leadership goes a different direction than the signals. I'm all full up on attachments in my deck for sure. I'm not sure what I would like instead, maybe a card that gave a bonus based on having giant piles of allies like I always tend to have.

Maybe it's been said plenty, but I also would love to see some more elf cards. The aforementioned bow hypothesis could also be extra potent on elves, maybe
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timgoddard wrote:
My hope is Samwise Gamgee, a Leadership hobbit


While I wouldn't mind seeing Sam, I'm guessing we won't see him as a hero in this timeline...if I recall correctly, Sam had never left the Shire prior to the Fellowship, nor never ventured far from Hobbiton for that matter...but I could be wrong...
 
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I believe Radagast shall gain in power with hopefully many more creatures to come. Beside Eagles, there can be Ents, horses too, and one should not forget a fox, either the famous Woody End night fox, or the more mysterious Chetwood daylight fox.
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otha62 wrote:
timgoddard wrote:
My hope is Samwise Gamgee, a Leadership hobbit


While I wouldn't mind seeing Sam, I'm guessing we won't see him as a hero in this timeline...if I recall correctly, Sam had never left the Shire prior to the Fellowship, nor never ventured far from Hobbiton for that matter...but I could be wrong...


There are many things this card game does very well, but maintaining the timeline and where the characters should be is definitely not one of them. It's not any weirder to have Sam than it is Frodo or Bilbo.
 
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narsil0420 wrote:
I would love to see another type of creature card we could use Radagast to play, perhaps a horse!


I would love to see a Shadowfax creature ally/attachment?... perhaps with an ability that has something to do with location exploration, so that the Northern Trackers/Lorien Guides aren't the only options... well OK, Snowbourne Scout too.
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Kharnel wrote:
There are many things this card game does very well, but maintaining the timeline and where the characters should be is definitely not one of them. It's not any weirder to have Sam than it is Frodo or Bilbo.

You're pretty much right 'bout the timeline...but Bilbo was out and about during this 17-year period so it is plausible for him to have been adventuring somewhere...as for Frodo, I was kind of surprised to see him as a hero but, unlike Sam, I can't recall if there was a specific passage stating that Frodo had never left the Shire during that period...but I could be wrong...

I do recall that one of the first previews showed Thorin Oakenshield as a hero (which I think they changed to Gloin)...my guess is that they realized Thorin had been slain during the "The Hobbit" and therefore would not have been around for their target time period...so FFG seems at least to be aware of the timeline...

Like I said, I wouldn't mind seeing Sam...but I'd prefer another Elven hero to show up soon...

Kharnel wrote:
Maybe it's been said plenty, but I also would love to see some more elf cards. The aforementioned bow hypothesis could also be extra potent on elves, maybe

That would be awesome...maybe a bow like Galadriel gave Legolas in Lorien...
 
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The new preview is out (http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2645) but it doesn't exactly take away any of this wild speculation. Only one card spoiled, and not one I'm particularly impressed with--though I suppose, as with most Leadership events, it's more useful the more players there are.
 
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timgoddard wrote:
The new preview is out (http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2645) but it doesn't exactly take away any of this wild speculation. Only one card spoiled, and not one I'm particularly impressed with--though I suppose, as with most Leadership events, it's more useful the more players there are.


Seems like a good way to get rid of those useless Snowborn scouts after they've served their purpose . . .
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timgoddard wrote:
The new preview is out (http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2645) but it doesn't exactly take away any of this wild speculation. Only one card spoiled, and not one I'm particularly impressed with--though I suppose, as with most Leadership events, it's more useful the more players there are.


Also it comboes nicely with Prince Imrahil.
 
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Kharnel wrote:
timgoddard wrote:
The new preview is out (http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2645) but it doesn't exactly take away any of this wild speculation. Only one card spoiled, and not one I'm particularly impressed with--though I suppose, as with most Leadership events, it's more useful the more players there are.


Seems like a good way to get rid of those useless Snowborn scouts after they've served their purpose . . .
Indeed. Though with a sphere that's particularly weak defensively, it would be tough choice giving up a perfectly good meat sheild for this purpose.

As has been said, this benefits games featuring more players, and in those cases, I find Snowbourne Scouts less necessary for this purpose anyway, so it's definitely a good combo.
 
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Interesting that Samwise was name-dropped in that preview. Could it be...?
 
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Interesting that Samwise was name-dropped in that preview. Could it be...?


Maybe maybe but i personally think we will get Celeborn in this expansion. But who know???
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Glaurung2 wrote:
...i personally think we will get Celeborn in this expansion. But who know???


I hope you're right as I'd like to see another elf added. I think the Celeborn card that was previewed earlier was Spirit though and I was guessing we'd get a Tactics hero in this expansion since the other expansions have added a hero in the other spheres...

I'm wondering if we'll get Boromir in this one; I remember reading somewhere that we'd be getting Imrahil in expansion 4 and Boromir in expansion 5...since Imrahil came out in the third expansion, maybe Boromir will follow in this one...I'm probably wrong though...
 
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otha62 wrote:
I'm wondering if we'll get Boromir in this one; I remember reading somewhere that we'd be getting Imrahil in expansion 4 and Boromir in expansion 5...since Imrahil came out in the third expansion, maybe Boromir will follow in the this one...I'm probably wrong though...


Boromir is coming in Dead Marshes.
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timgoddard wrote:
otha62 wrote:
I'm wondering if we'll get Boromir in this one; I remember reading somewhere that we'd be getting Imrahil in expansion 4 and Boromir in expansion 5...since Imrahil came out in the third expansion, maybe Boromir will follow in the this one...I'm probably wrong though...


Boromir is coming in Dead Marshes.


Yep, I was wrong. Thanks, hadn't seen that...
 
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I've been re-reading the Lord of the Rings and I am seeing an excellent opportunity for a Miruvor attachment or event for healing or removing a condition. thematically it would probably be in the Lore sphere, but there are already a ton of healing effects in there, so I wouldn't mind seeing it in perhaps the Spirit or Leadership spheres.

a quick link for those who don't know what I'm talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Middle-earth_food_and_d...

also, Lembas will certainly be making an appearance in the future.
 
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theduke850 wrote:
I've been re-reading the Lord of the Rings and I am seeing an excellent opportunity for a Miruvor attachment or event for healing or removing a condition. thematically it would probably be in the Lore sphere, but there are already a ton of healing effects in there, so I wouldn't mind seeing it in perhaps the Spirit or Leadership spheres.

a quick link for those who don't know what I'm talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Middle-earth_food_and_d...

also, Lembas will certainly be making an appearance in the future.


Sure, the opportunity here just seems almost infinite. I hope the cards just keep coming and coming, and coming some more.
 
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So does this mean we get 2 Heroes of one of the other spheres before we get a new Tactics hero?

Or maybe we will get 2 tactics heroes in a row to make up for being last in line.
 
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I'm thinking Lore, Spirit, Leadership, Tactics, Tactics, Leadership, Spirit, Lore.

Also, I'm really, really, really hoping the Spirit song is in Emyn Muil. I'm waiting to change my 2 player setup from Spirit/Leadership & Tactics/Lore to Spirit/Tactics & Leadership/Lore.
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Keggy wrote:
I'm thinking Lore, Spirit, Leadership, Tactics, Tactics, Leadership, Spirit, Lore.


This is my thought as well, *if* the two heroes in Kazad-dûm indeed are from the spirit and lore spheres, and *if* there are in fact only two heroes in Kazad-dûm.
 
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