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http://front.moveon.org/guess-what-grade-rick-perry-got-in-a...

Pardon the moveon.org source - it's what popped up from an acquaintance on my facebook newsfeed, but this appears to be all over the internets...

Some notables:
U.S. History - C
Principles of Economics - D

And just in terms of a measure of his ability to think critically, methodically, and logically about complex information, I notice that he does not a single grade higher than a C in any of the hard sciences or maths.

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edit: it's late and I realized I misspelled the poor guy's name in the original subject line of my post. Fixed now, though I suspect on the main page it will remain incorrect. Yes, I am fully aware of the irony.
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That's Parry with an A, for America....
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degamer wrote:
That's Parry with an A, for America....


Can someone please clarify the spelling thing for me?

Wikipedia, the source of all that is accurate says PErry.
 
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I posted this in another thread, and the general consensus was:

"edumucation ain't important to run the USofA"

How sad that as culture we don't value work ethic or critical thinking skills.

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MScrivner wrote:
degamer wrote:
That's Parry with an A, for America....


Can someone please clarify the spelling thing for me?

Wikipedia, the source of all that is accurate says PErry.


Colbert says it's with an A. For America. And for IowA.
 
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Octavian wrote:
MScrivner wrote:
degamer wrote:
That's Parry with an A, for America....


Can someone please clarify the spelling thing for me?

Wikipedia, the source of all that is accurate says PErry.


Colbert says it's with an A. For America. And for IowA.


Ah, that explains it. I don't watch much TV these days.
 
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Zaphod wrote:
I posted this in another thread, and the general consensus was:

"edumucation ain't important to run the USofA"

How sad that as culture we don't value work ethic or critical thinking skills.



Sorry - didn't see that thread. Sorry for the duplicate post.
 
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I'm not a Perry defender or sympathist, but is the real measure of a person how he or she performed in coursework forty years ago? Would my high school grades be relevant to any work that I am doing right now, considering I graduated fifteen years ago and have earned several advanced degrees since then?
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I'm not a Perry defender or sympathist, but is the real measure of a person how he or she performed in coursework forty years ago? Would my high school grades be relevant to any work that I am doing right now, considering I graduated fifteen years ago and have earned several advanced degrees since then?


If you were applying for a job for which one of those advanced degrees qualified you, probably not. But economics and history are both pretty relevant to making good decisions about governing the country, and I haven't heard anything about his later study of these topics. This would effectively grant more power to his staff, whom we not only don't elect, but can't even reliably know before we choose whether to elect Perry.

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Zaphod wrote:
I posted this in another thread, and the general consensus was:

"edumucation ain't important to run the USofA"

How sad that as culture we don't value work ethic or critical thinking skills.



When money talks merit walks.
 
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Octavian wrote:
MScrivner wrote:
degamer wrote:
That's Parry with an A, for America....


Can someone please clarify the spelling thing for me?

Wikipedia, the source of all that is accurate says PErry.


Colbert says it's with an A. For America. And for IowA.


What does Paery (or Peary) say?
 
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nwhyman wrote:
rinelk wrote:

. . . economics and history are both pretty relevant to making good decisions about governing the country, . . .

What's good enough for Texas is good enough for . . . .


It's not good enough for us! That's why I am voting for Perry in the primaries, so the rest of the U.S. can feel our pain.
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College grades no longer matter, at least not since November, 2008.
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College grades no longer matter, at least not since November, 2008.


I think you missed a couple terms.
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Meh. College grades aren't so much a measure of what you know as a measure of how much you cared to show up in class.
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Meh. College grades aren't so much a measure of what you know as a measure of how much you cared to show up in class.


That's what I want, a president who cares enough to show up.
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When I hire someone I put diminishing import on their more distant past. By the time someone is in their thirties their college performance is pretty minor; I care more about their current work record.

When I've applied for jobs, having an MBA from Harvard is certainly useful, but having been a Baker Scholar probably doesn't get noticed at all. My Johns Hopkins degree is completely irrelevant by now.

Why should pArry? be any different? I'd vote against him for his current performance, not because of his college grades.
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...sarcasm filter on...

Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. What a flunky hippie!! What a quitter!! I don't think we should listen to anything he has to say on technology.

....sarcasm filter off...

To the original OP: Do you think we should create a ruling political class based upon intellectual merit only? Or primarily?

I think Japan has a rigid meritocracy in their system. I haven't studied it much, but it could be a framework for discussion.
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Chad_Ellis wrote:


When I've applied for jobs, having an MBA from Harvard is certainly useful, but having been a Baker Scholar probably doesn't get noticed at all. My Johns Hopkins degree is completely irrelevant by now.


Yes, but this isn't just a "job", it's the president of the entire nation, the ruler of the free world. The president should paint a picture of perfection throughout his entire life span. We are voting for Valedictorian here, not most improved.
 
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What does it matter he is unelectable in a general election anyway

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MWChapel wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:


When I've applied for jobs, having an MBA from Harvard is certainly useful, but having been a Baker Scholar probably doesn't get noticed at all. My Johns Hopkins degree is completely irrelevant by now.


Yes, but this isn't just a "job", it's the president of the entire nation, the ruler of the free world. The president should paint a picture of perfection throughout his entire life span. We are voting for Valedictorian here, not most improved.


I think that's an unreasonable expectation for anyone short of Jesus Christ to become President. If a lifetime of perfection was a requirement for President of the U.S. we would never have become a nation in the first place for lack of someone to lead it.
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MWChapel wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:


When I've applied for jobs, having an MBA from Harvard is certainly useful, but having been a Baker Scholar probably doesn't get noticed at all. My Johns Hopkins degree is completely irrelevant by now.


Yes, but this isn't just a "job", it's the president of the entire nation, the ruler of the free world. The president should paint a picture of perfection throughout his entire life span. We are voting for Valedictorian here, not most improved.


Here is a possible job description for president.

Have personal connections with world leaders (like GHW Bush).
Be politically well-connected within your own party (like GW Bush or Johnson).
Be diplomatically tactful (like Condeleeza Rice).
Be able to give inspiring speeches (like Reagan, Kennedy, or Clinton).
Master International foreign policy (like Nixon).
Be ruthless and unsentimental (like Cheney and, it is said, Obama).
Have experience running a large bureaucracy (like J. Edgar Hoover).
Be financially independent to not be a victim to special interests (like Steve Forbes or Perot).
Be intellectual (like Carter and Goldwater).
Be right (like your favorite politician).

Can we find a candidate that fills all of these requirements? Should we look at a different job description?
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I don't believe this "report card" is legitimate. I'm going to need to see the long form report card.
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MScrivner wrote:
I notice that he does not a single grade higher than a C in any of the hard sciences or maths.

I think it's safe to say that science is not one of Perry's strong suits.
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rinelk wrote:
skelebone wrote:
I'm not a Perry defender or sympathist, but is the real measure of a person how he or she performed in coursework forty years ago? Would my high school grades be relevant to any work that I am doing right now, considering I graduated fifteen years ago and have earned several advanced degrees since then?


If you were applying for a job for which one of those advanced degrees qualified you, probably not. But economics and history are both pretty relevant to making good decisions about governing the country, and I haven't heard anything about his later study of these topics. This would effectively grant more power to his staff, whom we not only don't elect, but can't even reliably know before we choose whether to elect Perry.



If history and economics are relevant to making good decisions, then why would it be relevant to judge him on his performance of 40 years ago? Whether he has further study does have some vague relevance, but wouldn't his track record in these fields during his tenure in public office be more relevant?
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