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Is the US border better prepared against military incursion to the north or south?
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Re: Wargammers discuss: Is the US border defense.
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Is the US border better prepared against military incursion to the north or south?


South. You don't know what you're facing up here.
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Re: Wargammers discuss: Is the US border defense.
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frumpish wrote:
Is the US border better prepared against military incursion to the north or south?


South. You don't know what you're facing up here.


We have that buffer zone that runs from the 49th through 90th parallels. ninja
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Re: Wargammers discuss: Is the US border defense.
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aiabx wrote:
frumpish wrote:
Is the US border better prepared against military incursion to the north or south?


South. You don't know what you're facing up here.


We have that buffer zone that runs from the 49th through 90th parallels. ninja


And that sense of superiority and false security is what proves that you are not prepare against a military incursion in the North.

But it is probably the West where you are least prepared. Californians have been preparing the invasion for years now. Prepare to hail your new supreme overlord, Governator!
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Re: Wargammers discuss: Is the US border defense.
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We have that buffer zone that runs from the 49th through 90th parallels. ninja


Gives a whole new meaning to "defense in depth"...
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Re: Wargammers discuss: The US border defense.
We don't worry too much about countries that say, "Oh, excuse me there, eh?" before invading.
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Re: Wargammers discuss: The US border defense.
With almost 3 million available troops compared to our roughly 100000 and your budget of 692B to our budget of 21.8B the only advantage we have is that we look like you for the most part but we talk differently which is noticeable from such short distances as Victoria/Vancouver to Seattle/Fort Lewis. I don't think either is a military threat but border security for baddies is different.
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Re: Wargammers discuss: The US border defense.
These "Wargamers discuss" directives in thread titles get up my nose. It's a forum, so if you bring up something interesting, people will discuss it, and more precisely it's the wargames forum, so duh. This isn't middle school, and you're not handing out assignments.
(Hmmm. Too long and too belligerant).


Thread title memes where everybody starts copying the latest dumbness give the impression that they are composed by monkeys.
(More concise, but too nasty).


If this thread were simply titled "The US border defense", it would be stronger, and generate discussion by wargamers.
(OK, let's go with that).
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Re: The US border defense.
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These "Wargamers discuss" directives in thread titles get up my nose. It's a forum, so if you bring up something interesting, people will discuss it, and more precisely it's the wargames forum, so duh. This isn't middle school, and you're not handing out assignments.
(Hmmm. Too long and too belligerant).


Thread title memes where everybody starts copying the latest dumbness give the impression that they are composed by monkeys.
(More concise, but too nasty).


If this thread were simply titled "The US border defense", it would be stronger, and generate discussion by wargamers.
(OK, let's go with that).


Good idea, however it may be too late for this thread.
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Re: The US border defense.
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We don't worry too much about countries that say, "Oh, excuse me there, eh?" before invading.

Oh, I dunno. The last time Canadians said that, we let them walk right in and burn down the White House.



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Maybe this will do the trick.
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[q="DarrellKH"]We don't worry too much about countries that say, "Oh, excuse me there, eh?" before invading.

Oh, I dunno. The last time Canadians said that, we let them walk right in and burn down the White House.





It was British not Canadian troops that burned down the White House during the War of 1812 and it was in retaliation for the Americans burning down the Parliament Buildings of Upper Canada in the Battle of York a year earlier.

Those are British redcoats in that picture of yours.
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frumpish wrote:
Maybe this will do the trick.


Hmmm...


No, I'm still having a hard time taking a Canadian invasion scenario seriously. Could you work Gamera or Mecha-Godzilla into the title?
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that time was also very tense due to inaction to curb fenian raids and other border issues.
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Totally legitimate topic for serious discussion.


Not really.

We'll remain on defense in the north (Canada can have Detroit if they want it.) but we'll conduct a preemptive intervention (Oooops, I mean a kinetic military action!) in the south:


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aiabx wrote:
frumpish wrote:
Maybe this will do the trick.


Hmmm...


No, I'm still having a hard time taking a Canadian invasion scenario seriously. Could you work Gamera or Mecha-Godzilla into the title?


How about a friendly re-enactment in 2014? Lots of parties and celebration bonfires!
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Those are British redcoats in that picture of yours.

What color were the Canadian troops wearing?
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My serious response is that for the near future at least, an invasion of the U.S. is not plausible. If conditions changed so as to make it a real possibility, U.S. posture would adapt accordingly. Another way of looking it is that you'd have to come up with an answer for how we would be invaded before you could reasonably examine how we would respond.
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I don't think China will invade Hawaii any time soon, but the threat from the People Down Under worries me.
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I always thought that New Hampshire and Vermont had so many switchbacks in their mountian roads for plenty of ambush opportunities against a possible Canadian invasion.

I was disappointed with the North Dakotans when I learned that they had not been as vigilant with their defense measures.
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but the threat from the People Down Under worries me.



You're worried about the Australians?

While they might, in fact, be a threat to our beer supply, I think mostly we get along fine.

Or are the "people down under" you're referring to orcs and trolls?
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My serious response is that for the near future at least, an invasion of the U.S. is not plausible. If conditions changed so as to make it a real possibility, U.S. posture would adapt accordingly. Another way of looking it is that you'd have to come up with an answer for how we would be invaded before you could reasonably examine how we would respond.


Yeah, I don't expect Canadian or Mexican military engagement. I just wonder tactically which is better defended, and which geographically would be easier to defend.
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Hungadunga wrote:
mikecl wrote:
Those are British redcoats in that picture of yours.

What color were the Canadian troops wearing?


The colors of Canadian troops of the time run the gamut...because Canadian forces were essentially militia and light regulars from a variety of units.

The Voltigeurs for instance wore light green to grey to off white. Other regiments of the time were the Canadian Light Dragoons, the Canadian Fencibles, the Quebec volunteers each with their own colors or in many cases no uniform at all.

The Canadians fought with the British in the War of 1812 of course but if you read any of the history you'll see it's British troops that are credited with burning the White House, not Canadian troops.

I don't doubt some of us were there though


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Geographically I think the Canadian border is harder to defend. We have a huge border that has many different geological terrains and weather patterns. As a military we are trained across the board and use tactics very similar to the American armed forces. After reading the Ranger Handbook I was surprised at the similarities between our forces and the Rangers in command dissemination.

I am not too familiar with the terrains across the Mexico US border but I do not think they very as widely as the north. Technologies of course close the gap a bit on ambush potentials and air superiority would be a non contest. I think the Canadian hope would be an armed insurgency. Even with gun control the number of guns in Canada per capita is very similar with our neighbours to the south (another reason gun control is not the doomsday it is made out to be; poor implementation aside)
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Prepare to hail your new supreme overlord, Governator!


His term expired. You'll have to face the might of Governor Moonbeam, now!

The election could have gone terribly wrong, though, and we'd all have to deal with Mecha-Whitman!

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