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Subject: S15...Are the US 57L guns useless? rss

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Paul Franklin-Bihary
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I'm currently in a PBEM game and realized that the US AT guns in this scenario cannot fire HE. They do not get APSD, either because of the date. How do these guns fire in this scenario? I've been playing full ASL rules for a while, so maybe I'm missing something. Can someone help?

My best guess is that they can fire AP at buildings or walls, but then they would only get he HE equivalency of a 2 column shot. Is this correct?
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They Can't!?!? I'm playing this scenario by email right now too as the Germans, and I'm getting my a** handed to me. WOW that changes things. MISSED THAT.
 
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According to the ordnance notes for that weapon, it has HE with a depletion number of 7, since the scenario takes place after June '44. Always check the ordnance notes.
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Paul Franklin-Bihary wrote:
My best guess is that they can fire AP at buildings or walls, but then they would only get he HE equivalency of a 2 column shot. Is this correct?

AP shells can be fired at *any* non-armored target with an HE equivalency of 2 FP. Granted, it's a pretty weak attack, but it's better than nothing once your HE7 runs out. It's the Shaped Charge Weapons (SCW) like a BAZ that can only be fired against "hard" targets.
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Why is there an underscore if there is actually HE available??? I was dumb about the date, though. It is indeed AFTER June. Duh.
 
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HE equivalence of 2 can still be decent against troops in buildings. Once you get a hit, the effect is 2 FP flat, which is roughly the same as a 8+3 shot using small arms (against stone building). And if you get a critical suddenly it's 4-3 shot which is pretty deadly.
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Paul Franklin-Bihary wrote:
Why is there an underscore if there is actually HE available???

Probably because this Gun was originally designed to only fire AP shells, and in its first year of service (mid-1943 to mid-1944) AP was the only ammunition available.

If you read the historical notes on this Gun, you'll learn that even when HE became available in limited amounts in the latter half of 1944, it was only because suitable shells could be obtained from the British. A US-made HE round was not available until early in 1945.

Given all this, the underscore certainly seems reasonable, and the asterisk next to the underscore warns you that it might not always apply. Asterisks on a Gun or vehicle counter always mean: "Read the historical notes for special usage rules" (which you should always do even if there is no asterisk).
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Acquire. Critical Hit. 4FP -2 (or -3).

Adjacent a Gun gets -2 TH, add that to Acquire -2 and then even a stone building gets becomes dangerous.
 
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richfam wrote:
Paul Franklin-Bihary wrote:
Why is there an underscore if there is actually HE available???

Probably because this Gun was originally designed to only fire AP shells, and in its first year of service (mid-1943 to mid-1944) AP was the only ammunition available.

If you read the historical notes on this Gun, you'll learn that even when HE became available in limited amounts in the latter half of 1944, it was only because suitable shells could be obtained from the British. A US-made HE round was not available until early in 1945.

Given all this, the underscore certainly seems reasonable, and the asterisk next to the underscore warns you that it might not always apply. Asterisks on a Gun or vehicle counter always mean: "Read the historical notes for special usage rules" (which you should always do even if there is no asterisk).


I read them first, I just didn't understand this odd notation on the counter. In any case, thanks for the help (again) everyone.
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