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Granted it's computer* gamers, but the point here is gaming does model a problem sufficiently to solve it ~ and that bolsters the argument that a simulation wargame can be the next best thing to being there, vs. the opposite argument often made dismissing games: "despite the hobby's pretensions, wargames are just 'theme slapped on abstract systems' - and therefore not a tool to understand/model real conflict ~ get over it".
http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/tech-report/2...

*and notice the article points out how the Players trump computers - Hah!: what we've known all along.
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It's a great story. I posted a link to a different article about it earlier this morning: Gamers crack AIDS enzyme puzzle
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Yes, 3rd time's a 'charm' then, eh? I'd caught the 2nd of these #2 yet missed Sphere's until now, that is. It just goes to show: "all work and NO game-play, makes you have NO 'leet skillz' after all!" They should probably work on refining a bred 'LIGER' then, for its *magic* and stuff!
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GROGnads wrote:
Yes, 3rd time's a 'charm' then, eh? I'd caught the 2nd of these #2 yet missed Sphere's until now, that is. It just goes to show: "all work and NO game-play, makes you have NO 'leet skillz' after all!" They should probably work on refining a bred 'LIGER' then, for its *magic* and stuff!
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nice: Gaming >> Superior capabilities = magic to the Uninitiated*

*which would make Gaming today's Mystery Religion (I feel a Cult** coming on!)

**I didn't play "Ka-bala" for nothing!
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Here is the link to the FOLDIT website :

http://fold.it/portal/puzzles
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AnalogGamer wrote:
*which would make Gaming today's Mystery Religion (I fell a Cult coming on!)


WoW, anyone?

Although the day we discover WoW has been some gigantic simulation (cf. Deep Thought's design of "Earth" in H2G2) designed to crack some complex code is the day I renew my faith in humanity.

Seriously, though, this is just the coolest story ever.
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Wrong title. The title should be, "Using game play, scientists solve problem lesser scientists couldn't".

It gets down to this: whoever solves a scientific problem IS the scientist.
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bob_santafe wrote:
Wrong title. The title should be, "Using game play, scientists solve problem lesser scientists couldn't".
It gets down to this: whoever solves a scientific problem IS the scientist.

Couldn't agree more: = the dark secret of academia {Quick! forget you read this ~ and don't forget to defer to your accredited-by-us betters*)!

*lest our entire business model (let alone vulnerable self-esteem) be revealed as 'naked'.
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bob_santafe wrote:
Wrong title. The title should be, "Using game play, scientists solve problem lesser scientists couldn't".

It gets down to this: whoever solves a scientific problem IS the scientist.
The ACTUAL 'scientists' then FURTHER obtained AND established the "end result"! surprise
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AnalogGamer wrote:


*which would make Gaming today's Mystery Religion (I feel a Cult** coming on!)


I am in! Where do I sign up, oh Great Leader?
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AnalogGamer wrote:


*which would make Gaming today's Mystery Religion (I feel a Cult** coming on!)
marnaudo wrote:


I am in! Where do I sign up, oh Great Leader?
wow Get BACH! upon the "Group W" bench!
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marnaudo wrote:
AnalogGamer wrote:
*which would make Gaming today's Mystery Religion (I feel a Cult** coming on!)

I am in! Where do I sign up, oh Great Leader?

You must become ONE with the Eye of Zohar!!
 
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I suggest we work on world poverty next...or better yet...Where do all those missing odd socks go?...
 
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Atraxrobustus wrote:
I suggest we work on world poverty next...or better yet...Where do all those missing odd socks go?...

World Poverty is Malthus' bitch!
Lost Socks?: Weren't they surrendered to Quantum Physics?
 
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Atraxrobustus wrote:
Where do all those missing odd socks go?...


I play that game every week. With my almost exclusively black/dark grey setup, it makes for a very nuanced and highly demanding game.

So much so that I keep succumbing to the analysis paralysis syndrome. As a result, I often tend to cut playing time short and store the components in a haphazard fashion.

Sadly I usually only get to play it solitaire.
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Quote from a related article (http://scienceblog.com/47894/gamers-succeed-where-scientists...):

"The ingenuity of game players," Khatib said, "is a formidable force that, if properly directed, can be used to solve a wide range of scientific problems."
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FWIW: BBC's & NPR's takes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14986013

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/09/19/140606555/gamers-...
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The people behind the protein folding game FoldIt let their users share protein folding recipes, which enabled them to quickly evolve a recipe that could outperform one that was being developed in a research lab:
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/11/gamers-create-re...
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AnalogGamer wrote:
The people behind the protein folding game FoldIt let their users share protein folding recipes, which enabled them to quickly evolve a recipe that could outperform one that was being developed in a research lab:
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/11/gamers-create-re...

Origami experts might do better.
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sullafelix wrote:
AnalogGamer wrote:
The people behind the protein folding game FoldIt let their users share protein folding recipes, which enabled them to quickly evolve a recipe that could outperform one that was being developed in a research lab:
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/11/gamers-create-re...

Origami experts might do better.

How 'bout some ersatz origami?:
http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/10000-pound-bunny-...

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Next up:
UK intelligence agency GCHQ has launched a code-cracking competition to help attract new talent
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15968878
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Atraxrobustus wrote:
I suggest we work on world poverty next...or better yet...Where do all those missing odd socks go?...

Haven't you heard?

Socks are the larval form of hangers! They metamorph in the dryer.
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